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  • monkey
    Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 217

    Doomed to fail....

    Ultimately, the fatal flaw of this whole plan was the presumption that the AG would actually follow the law. This is a vehemently anti-gun, exceedingly liberal AG who has a very visible track record of not following the state's firearms law. He has asperations for the Governor's office, so he is political above legal. He cannot update the list and allow thousands of new AWs to hit the streets, but at the same time he cannot allow these lowers or "potential AWs" to continue to be sold in California to make a mockery of the nation's model for gun control. Which road does he take? Both. He'll update the list to ban further sale of lowers, but he'll cite and defend SB23 as the legality behind not allowing existing lowers to become full-fledged AWs. They'd become paper AWs, named as such, but not dressed as such so there's little visible political damage.

    I mean, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Guy found a way, forced a way to have it both ways. It'll go to court, sure, but in the 2 years it will take, the state legislature will make sure his dubious legal view here becomes clear-cut state law.
    Last edited by monkey; 02-03-2006, 9:47 PM.
  • #2
    Stanze
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 3301

    One of us needs to run for Attorney General, win and fire those bitches.
    Constitutionally, officials cannot license or register a fundamental right.

    "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin


    "Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack." -Stanze

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    • #3

      Originally posted by monkey
      Ultimately, the fatal flaw of this whole plan was the presumption that the AG would actually follow the law. This is a vehemently anti-gun, exceedingly liberal AG who has a very visible track record of not following the state's firearms law. He has asperations for the Governor's office, so he is political above legal. He would have loved to simply not act on the lowers, so owners would have nowhere to go but the FAB-10 route, but at the same time he cannot allow these lowers or "potential AWs" to continue to be sold in California to make a mockery of the nation's model for gun control. Which road does he take? Both. He'll update the list to ban further sale of lowers, but he'll cite and defend SB23 as the legality behind not allowing existing lowers to become full-fledged AWs. They'd become paper AWs, named as such, but not dressed as such.

      I mean, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Guy found a way, forced a way to have it both ways. It'll go to court, sure, but in the 2 years it will take, the state legislature will make sure his dubious legal view here becomes clear-cut state law.
      Something tells me that AG Lockyer won't be around to see this thing through to conclusion. Figure at least a few more months to list. Then time to register. Then even more time to get this to court. By the time this is in a Court Room there will be a fresh AG in there and a fresh staff... ideally one that hasn't been elected to clamp down hard because someone was stupid and leaked this to the press.

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      • #4
        rocketboy
        Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 266

        Where is Arnold can't he just fire the as_hole!! Is the NRA even going to back us up? Jesus, I need a drink!!!
        Beware of the growing Police State!

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        • #5
          grammaton76
          Administrator
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2005
          • 9511

          Originally posted by shopkeep
          By the time this is in a Court Room there will be a fresh AG in there and a fresh staff... ideally one that hasn't been elected to clamp down hard because someone was stupid and leaked this to the press.
          Heh... it would be cool if a new AG got in that really didn't give a rip about keeping EBR's out. But meanwhile, back in the real world, this IS California...
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          • #6

            Originally posted by grammaton76
            Heh... it would be cool if a new AG got in that really didn't give a rip about keeping EBR's out. But meanwhile, back in the real world, this IS California...
            Suddenly the race for AG in California is becomming interesting LOL! Maybe if a Republican candidate could appear hardcore enough we'd have a chance.

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            • #7
              RRangel
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2005
              • 5164

              He's not running for governor. He's trying for treasurer.
              Our politicians have a reputation for being crooks and this case is no different. It's better to fight these statists than to do nothing and complain. A fight it will be.

              Doomed to failure only if you never try.

              Originally posted by monkey
              Ultimately, the fatal flaw of this whole plan was the presumption that the AG would actually follow the law. This is a vehemently anti-gun, exceedingly liberal AG who has a very visible track record of not following the state's firearms law. He has asperations for the Governor's office, so he is political above legal. He cannot update the list and allow thousands of new AWs to hit the streets, but at the same time he cannot allow these lowers or "potential AWs" to continue to be sold in California to make a mockery of the nation's model for gun control. Which road does he take? Both. He'll update the list to ban further sale of lowers, but he'll cite and defend SB23 as the legality behind not allowing existing lowers to become full-fledged AWs. They'd become paper AWs, named as such, but not dressed as such so there's little visible political damage.

              I mean, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Guy found a way, forced a way to have it both ways. It'll go to court, sure, but in the 2 years it will take, the state legislature will make sure his dubious legal view here becomes clear-cut state law.

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              • #8
                Wulf
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 1311

                I tell you what....if at some point I become convinced that this is doomed, I'll be selling the receivers out of state and sending the proceds from that sale to the canidate that is running agains Lockyear.

                Perhaps our best strategy is to make it clear to him that what he percieves as a stepping stone to higher office could turn out to actually be quicksand.

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                • #9
                  PanzerAce
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4262

                  Originally posted by Stanze
                  One of us needs to run for Attorney General, win and fire those bitches.
                  No, one of us needs to win, and then add ONE lower, but let people know a couple months ahead of time
                  "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order"
                  -Ed Howdershelt


                  Originally posted by hossb7
                  HK is the best $500 gun you can get for $1,000

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                  • #10
                    Duke of Lawnchair
                    Junior Member
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 13

                    Originally posted by rocketboy
                    Is the NRA even going to back us up?
                    HAHAHAHA...

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                    • #11
                      Pablo
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 657

                      Originally posted by rocketboy
                      Where is Arnold can't he just fire the as_hole!! Is the NRA even going to back us up? Jesus, I need a drink!!!
                      After coming back from work I completely agree with you!!!

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                      • #12
                        EBWhite
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 2116

                        DOJ has the advantage....our only hope is a lawsuit to win this one. look back 3 years ago, bringing any ar15 receiver back with an ffl would have gotten you in handcuffs. look what simple lawsuit like harrott did!

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