NFA Trust ... CA

[ExtremeX]

Can you own an SBR if you have an NFA trust in CA?

[DannyInSoCal]

Call Mike at OC Armory...

[Dead*Reckoned]

C&R sbs, C&R SBR, and AOW's.... I dont think that I am missing any?

[cmth]

C&R sbs, C&R SBR, and AOW's.... I dont think that I am missing any?

You can own any type of NFA firearm in California except for suppressors. However the ones you listed are the only ones that do not require a Dangerous Weapon Permit from the California DOJ, which is practically impossible to get.

In order to own an SBR or SBS, it must be on the federal C&R list as an SBR or SBS. You cannot take a regular C&R rifle or shotgun and convert it to an SBR or SBS on a Form 1 and cut down the barrel. It loses its C&R status when that is done, and the ATF will not approve the Form 1 anyway. They would approve those Form 1s in the past, but not any more.

[Anchors]

You can own any type of NFA firearm in California except for suppressors. However the ones you listed are the only ones that do not require a Dangerous Weapon Permit from the California DOJ, which is practically impossible to get.

In order to own an SBR or SBS, it must be on the federal C&R list as an SBR or SBS. You cannot take a regular C&R rifle or shotgun and convert it to an SBR or SBS on a Form 1 and cut down the barrel. It loses its C&R status when that is done, and the ATF will not approve the Form 1 anyway. They would approve those Form 1s in the past, but not any more.

More specifically, SBS/SBR, machine guns, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and suppressors are all different permits from the DOJ.
And if you have the correct combination of FFL and/or California permits, you can have any NFA item including suppressors.
But like you said, the average person won't get them here.

Maybe not an SBR (closer to an SBS), but this AOW (that is attainable by the average Joe here) has a pretty short barrel (even though it shoots shotgun shells).

[cmth]

You cannot own a suppressor in California. There is no DWP for them. FFLs can only possess them with an LE demo letter. They cannot be owned by individuals. DWPs are only issued for assault weapons (California definition), .50 BMG rifles, machineguns, SBS/SBRs, and destructive devices.

[Quiet]

Can you own an SBR if you have an NFA trust in CA?

Only if it's a C&R SBR.

In order to own a non-C&R SBR in CA, you will need a valid Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR. [PC 12095(a)]
In order to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit for a SBR, you will need a "good cause". [PC 12095(b)]
Currently there are only two acceptable "good causes" for issuance of a Dangerous Weapons Permit.
1. For use by the entertainment industry as a prop. [PC 12095(b)(1)]
2. To be made/sold/used by a Gov/Mil/LE agency. [PC 12095(b)(2)]

If your "good cause" does not fit either of those two categories, then you will not get a Dangerous Weapons Permit.

[CHS]

You cannot own a suppressor in California. There is no DWP for them. FFLs can only possess them with an LE demo letter.

I've never seen where a demo letter is required by the PC for an FFL to own/possess a suppressor or silencer in CA.

In fact, if you read the PC re: suppressors/silencers, it would appear that any FFL who can legally transfer them can possess/own, meaning that a SOT isn't even required if an FFL transfers in only one or two and pays the $200 tax himself.

If one wants to get into the business of actually selling suppressors/silencers though, it would be good to have the SOT.

[ke6guj]

I've never seen where a demo letter is required by the PC for an FFL to own/possess a suppressor or silencer in CA.

correct, no demo letter needed for an FFL with an SOT to possess a silencer in CA, doesn't even need to be a CA-based FFL.

In fact, if you read the PC re: suppressors/silencers, it would appear that any FFL who can legally transfer them can possess/own, meaning that a SOT isn't even required if an FFL transfers in only one or two and pays the $200 tax himself.

If one wants to get into the business of actually selling suppressors/silencers though, it would be good to have the SOT.

pretty sure this is incorrect. 12501 says that dealers/manufacturers that are registered under title 26, chapter 53, section 5801 are exempt.


12501. Section 12520 shall not apply to, or affect, any of the following:
(c) The manufacture, possession, transportation, or sale or other transfer of silencers to an entity described in subdivision (a) by dealers or manufacturers registered under Chapter 53 (commencing with Section 5801) of Title 26 of the United States Code