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  • odysseus
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2005
    • 10407

    Jury acquittal



    Summary: Defendant shoots known acquaintance that was drunk, threatening, that forced into his bedroom in a shared living house he rented out to aggressor. Non fatality, wound by .22 pistol. Marin county DA prosecutes as felony with "special weapons allegation" under argument that defendant "shot an unarmed man", but defense argues defendant reacted to threat with reason.

    Jury fully acquits defendant of charges.
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  • #2
    scarville
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    • Feb 2009
    • 2325

    From the article
    Prosecutors charged Outcalt with assault with a deadly weapon and assault with a semiautomatic handgun, with special weapons allegations that would have increased his prison sentence. The case went to trial before Judge Andrew Sweet. [emphasis added]
    Maybe it is just sloppy reporting but I don't get that at all. Is there some legal mumbo jumbo that pretends there is a difference between being shot by a "semiautomatic handgun" versus a revolver?
    Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

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    • #3
      mag360
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      • Jun 2009
      • 5198

      HAHAHAHAHA screw the Marin DA. "special weapons allegations"... maybe if the guy had blown his legs off with an IED? but a pistol wound?
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      • #4
        bwiese
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Oct 2005
        • 27616

        Originally posted by scarville
        From the article

        Maybe it is just sloppy reporting but I don't get that at all. Is there some legal mumbo jumbo that pretends there is a difference between being shot by a "semiautomatic handgun" versus a revolver?
        I believe there are enhancments for using an AW - but there's none for common-garden variety Glocks or Sigs, etc.

        DAs do throw up whatever they think can stick - and/or this was misreporting by news source.

        The defense attorney may not even have known about these details and chose to fight merely on the justifiability of the action.

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        • #5
          odysseus
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Dec 2005
          • 10407

          Originally posted by scarville
          Maybe it is just sloppy reporting but I don't get that at all. Is there some legal mumbo jumbo that pretends there is a difference between being shot by a "semiautomatic handgun" versus a revolver?
          Yes, in all probability from the news source: sloppy reporting.
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          • #6
            scarville
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Feb 2009
            • 2325

            Originally posted by odysseus
            Yes, in all probability from the news source: sloppy reporting.
            Thanks.

            Based on Bweise's post right above yours, I was guessing the DA was trying to game the system -- or snooker the jury. I do hope this verdict was as more about justice than a smack-down on the DA.
            Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

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            • #7
              rugershooter
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 1804

              I'd have to look it up, but I think there's a mandatory increase in sentencing for using a semiauto handgun under the PC for assault with a deadly weapon...PC 245, I believe.

              EDIT: PC 245(b) "Any person who commits an assault upon the person of another
              with a semiautomatic firearm shall be punished by imprisonment in the
              state prison for three, six, or nine years."

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              • #8
                rjf
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2006
                • 649

                This is why showing up for jury duty is important.

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                • #9
                  Andy Taylor
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 1367

                  Originally posted by rjf
                  This is why showing up for jury duty is important.
                  This

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                  • #10
                    dantodd
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 9360

                    FWIW when I served on a jury we were forbidden from reading the underlying PC and had to rely on jury instructions.

                    Originally posted by rugershooter
                    I'd have to look it up, but I think there's a mandatory increase in sentencing for using a semiauto handgun under the PC for assault with a deadly weapon...PC 245, I believe.

                    EDIT: PC 245(b) "Any person who commits an assault upon the person of another
                    with a semiautomatic firearm shall be punished by imprisonment in the
                    state prison for three, six, or nine years."
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                    • #11
                      Wolverine
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 741

                      Originally posted by dantodd
                      FWIW when I served on a jury we were forbidden from reading the underlying PC and had to rely on jury instructions.
                      The courts don't want to confuse the jury's little heads with too many details.

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                      • #12
                        mhho
                        Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 203

                        This is not sloppy reporting. One day, I started noticing that all the news channels started using the phrase "semiautomatic handgun". My guess is that they received a memo from an anti-gun right group on which term to use because they are trying to lay the ground work for their next gun ban. This was done to "assault weapons" before to change public perception. I think they are going to make a big push to ban the evil "semiautomatic handgun" next.

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                        • #13
                          Wolverine
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 741

                          Originally posted by mhho
                          This is not sloppy reporting. One day, I started noticing that all the news channels started using the phrase "semiautomatic handgun". My guess is that they received a memo from an anti-gun right group on which term to use because they are trying to lay the ground work for their next gun ban. This was done to "assault weapons" before to change public perception. I think they are going to make a big push to ban the evil "semiautomatic handgun" next.
                          I agree. I have seen rate-of-fire comparisons between automatic and semi-automatic presented in a fashion that would seem to indicate there is little difference between the two.

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                          • #14
                            454CA
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 34

                            Bump - for the application of justice in Marin County (a place where often Logic is suspended)

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                            • #15
                              Bert Gamble
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 3230

                              Good to see that there at least 12 normal people in Marin County. I just wonder how they managed to get called to the same jury?
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