Leave your ego at the door...we are ALL GUN OWNERS!

[nicki]

lets be nice

Andrew isn't Gay, but even if he was, so what. Only person who may care is his wife.

We have had some setbacks, the other side is gloating which is good because when we hit them, they won't know what hit them.

California is ground zero on gun rights and we are bringing the battle to our opponents.

[nicki]

lets be nice

Andrew isn't Gay, but even if he was, so what. Only person who may care is his wife.

We have had some setbacks, the other side is gloating which is good because when we hit them, they won't know what hit them.

California is ground zero on gun rights and we are bringing the battle to our opponents.

[AndrewMendez]

I'm aware of that. Perhaps I need to be more blunt: I feel there people on this site who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near firearms. Many seem to not possess even a lick of common sense. Some appear to be outright morons. I'm supposed to forget that because of a so-called common cause? Ain't gonna happen. I don't believe in the "if you aren't with us you're against us" mentality.

Attempting to read text, and judging someones common sense, is a lot easier said then done. I have bumped heads with members here, and have confronted them in person, to determine that we were in fact just reading too much into each others post. However, there are dumb people, trolls, anti's and the like everywhere you go. As far as people who shouldn't own a gun...sure, maybe a few over the years I have been here, but not many. We have 80 some odd thousand members...they can't all on the level. I am not saying you shouldn't be upset with other people. My statement was directed more to the Open Carry vs CGF vs Gov Brown is a douche bag, why did you tell us to vote for him vs What has the CGF done for me.



nicki is correct, I am not gay. A quick funny story, at one of the last shoots, when I introduced my better half, a guy said..."Whoa, your really not gay!"

[geeknow]

OP,

Last april fools, you and some of the cgn 'elite' thought it a hilarious joke to make a lot of the rest of us believe that we had been 'infiltrated' by one of our own. When confronted with the fact that you abused trust placed in you, it was deemed 'awesome' by the same. Now, you deliver a lecture that we dont have enough faith..? Puhleeze. I say as long as the comments are within forum rules, all opinions belong.

Welcome to the world you helped create.

[bubbapug1]

I'm aware of that. Perhaps I need to be more blunt: I feel there people on this site who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near firearms. Many seem to not possess even a lick of common sense. Some appear to be outright morons. I'm supposed to forget that because of a so-called common cause? Ain't gonna happen. I don't believe in the "if you aren't with us you're against us" mentality.

So now we have the judge and jury with and before us....

[AndrewMendez]

OP,

Last april fools, you and some of the cgn 'elite' thought it a hilarious joke to make a lot of the rest of us believe that we had been 'infiltrated' by one of our own. When confronted with the fact that you abused trust placed in you, it was deemed 'awesome' by the same. Now, you deliver a lecture that we dont have enough faith..? Puhleeze. I say as long as the comments are within forum rules, all opinions belong.

Welcome to the world you helped create.

Cgn elite? I don't think I qualify for that, but thank you for the complement. IIRC, 1 person said that, and most people had figured out it was a joke. I did admit that it got carried away though in the thread. Nobody has mentioned it since until now. I don't understand how that has anything to do with people making personal attacks towards each other though. I am not lecturing, I am giving my opinion, just as you have just done.

[DannyInSoCal]

Actually - The problem with delusional people - Is they don't know they are delusional.

This happens to people who love guns - And to people who hate guns.

Obviously I am a pro-2A guy - But I also realize there is A LOT of money being tossed around by BOTH sides of this issue.

Call me cynical - But it bothers me when NOTHING negative is ever said about rulings against gun rights/civil rights.

Brown voted down UOC and suddenly it's spun as a "victory" for LTC...?

Maybe everyone wants to believe it will automatically result in every liberal, gun hating judge and politician to concede to LTC - But I'm not buying it....

I'm hopeful for the fight - Support I with my $$$ - Standing by to volunteer -

But some part of me can see how the "fight" being extended is fueled by donations from everyone like me -

And that the actual bad news is never reported as such because of the damage it might cause...

I may be completely off base -

But as a business owner I ALWAYS triple check when a branch manager has a set back and reports everything is "going as planned"....

Or maybe it's just the Johnnie Walker Blue wrapping my tin foil hat too tight.

Time will tell.......

[MAC USMC]

Take a deep breath and hand me a cold Bud -- -

[goober]

A good example. I volunteer as an RSO at a local Bay Area range. I see goobers doing gooberish things ALL the time. From the rude (picking up someone else's brass) to the dangerous (poor muzzle discipline).

heeeeey. i resemble that remark!!!


but yeah, OP.
word.

[AndrewMendez]

Actually - The problem with delusional people - Is they don't know they are delusional.

This happens to people who love guns - And to people who hate guns.

Obviously I am a pro-2A guy - But I also realize there is A LOT of money being tossed around by BOTH sides of this issue.

Call me cynical - But it bothers me when NOTHING negative is ever said about rulings against gun rights/civil rights.

Brown voted down UOC and suddenly it's spun as a "victory" for LTC...?

Maybe everyone wants to believe it will automatically result in every liberal, gun hating judge and politician to concede to LTC - But I'm not buying it....

I'm hopeful for the fight - Support I with my $$$ - Standing by to volunteer -

But some part of me can see how the "fight" being extended is fueled by donations from everyone like me -

And that the actual bad news is never reported as such because of the damage it might cause...

I may be completely off base -

But as a business owner I ALWAYS triple check when a branch manager has a set back and reports everything is "going as planned"....

Or maybe it's just the Johnnie Walker Blue wrapping my tin foil hat too tight.

Time will tell.......

Danny,
I don't think the bad news is ever reported anymore then "well, it passed." Obviously, we had little control over what JB was going to do, and quite frankly I don't know if it should be put on display any more then that. It won't do anything but lower the moral, and I just don't see a purpose. I don't think anything is ever hidden though.

My view on the twisting portion...its a little more in depth. Federal law states that one method of carry be allowed in a state, they simply can not take that away. So, when they force OC'ing out of the option, we have more leverage in court. In the case Peruta v. County of San Diego, the only reason the judge denied the option, was because they stated that the Plaintiff had the option of Open Carrying a firearm...now, since this will soon be illegal to do, they can reattempt to sue them and the state, regarding LTC's. In my humble opinion, I am not convinced Jerry Brown was absolutely doing us a disservice, by making this decision.
Another interesting point, on his last day as AG, he put out his opinion on what happens to LEO's and their AW's, after they retire. They would essentially have to give them up. What this does, is force the state to either allow ANYBODY to have an AW, or completely destroy the infamous list.

I accept the fact that the people fighting these bastards need to keep things unwrap, as to not give any advantage to others. I also accept the fact that they are significantly smarter then I.

Just my .02.
Andrew Mendez

[warbird]

In a way I agree with the OP in that we are all fighting the same fight to restore or reclaim our rights. But that does not mean we have to agree on the methods or whether we have to financially support a group we do not agree with even if the group is allegedly going after the same goals we are. The freedom of choice and the right to disagree is a fundamental right of ours supported by the second amendment. Same goes for who we give our money to and why.

[sl4ck3r]

Not to argue Andrew, but many here are still wet behind the ear and child-like. One of the few drawbacks to Calguns.
Irregardless, you are correct sir, we need to stand together.

Irregardless is not a word. Mainly because regardless is what you are trying to say. Just thought I would let you know.

We will stand together and make each other better for it!

[AndrewMendez]

In a way I agree with the OP in that we are all fighting the same fight to restore or reclaim our rights. But that does not mean we have to agree on the methods or whether we have to financially support a group we do not agree with even if the group is allegedly going after the same goals we are. The freedom of choice and the right to disagree is a fundamental right of ours supported by the second amendment. Same goes for who we give our money to and why.

I don't think everyone needs to support the people doing the work. I have heard tons of crap about the NRA, CGF, CRPA, SAF...etc. What I am asking though, is that we be adults about it. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing, just be a man about it.

[greybeard]

Danny,
I don't think the bad news is ever reported anymore then "well, it passed." Obviously, we had little control over what JB was going to do, and quite frankly I don't know if it should be put on display any more then that. It won't do anything but lower the moral, and I just don't see a purpose. I don't think anything is ever hidden though.

My view on the twisting portion...its a little more in depth. Federal law states that one method of carry be allowed in a state, they simply can not take that away. So, when they force OC'ing out of the option, we have more leverage in court. In the case Peruta v. County of San Diego, the only reason the judge denied the option, was because they stated that the Plaintiff had the option of Open Carrying a firearm...now, since this will soon be illegal to do, they can reattempt to sue them and the state, regarding LTC's. In my humble opinion, I am not convinced Jerry Brown was absolutely doing us a disservice, by making this decision.
Another interesting point, on his last day as AG, he put out his opinion on what happens to LEO's and their AW's, after they retire. They would essentially have to give them up. What this does, is force the state to either allow ANYBODY to have an AW, or completely destroy the infamous list.

I accept the fact that the people fighting these bastards need to keep things unwrap, as to not give any advantage to others. I also accept the fact that they are significantly smarter then I.

Just my .02.
Andrew Mendez

I am afraid, the bolded part of the quote is what some people are talking about. I am butt hurt because of his signing and yes I voted for him. He did what he did, since I cannot read minds, I do not know why. I also do not pretend that I know why. It may turn out to be a good thing but only time will tell. Lets not alienate each other in the meantime.

[Timberwolf]

Unfortunately while agreeable what the OP wants is utopic at best. Simply too much diversity and too many who learned what accessories they want on their rifle from playing "Call of Duty".