Gov. Brown is no fool

[taperxz]

What's to keep them from saying that LUCC is an acceptable alternative or something else?

A locked weapon is not a functional firearm. A locked firearm, is firearm that is not being carried.

Imagine if a city said you had to keep a handgun in your safe at home unless in an emergency.

[markm]

For this argument there isn't a real distinction. Its about trying justify a demo vote which in turn is a vote against our 2A rights. Ineptness of the parties aside, the majority of republicans back our 2A rights and the majority of the Dems don't. Whether state or fed, the same holds true. Voting for our foes and justifying it by pointing at the fringe elements of our friends is sketchy at best and only helps solidify the base of our enemys.

Hey kblack,

+1

Dems usually pass these bill with just-enough votes. Dems who are up for re-election in a conservative district are allowed to vote against these anti 2A bills so they can campaign on being pro-2A, or pro-farmer, or pro-business. Had the dem leadership needed their votes for passage, the pro-2A dem would have fallen-in lock-step with leadership and voted anti 2A.

markm

[taperxz]

Hey kblack,

+1

Dems usually pass these bill with just-enough votes. Dems who are up for re-election in a conservative district are allowed to vote against these anti 2A bills so they can campaign on being pro-2A, or pro-farmer, or pro-business. Had the dem leadership needed their votes for passage, the pro-2A dem would have fallen-in lock-step with leadership and voted anti 2A.

markm

Wow the reverse of the JB pro gun conspiracy theory

[Trailboss60]

Jerry brown is no friend of the 2A, no need to sugar coat the truth.

+1


When you learn to acceptable levels of rat turds in your food, it goes down quite nicely.

[markm]

When it comes to RKBA you're pretty much right. Anecdotally there are democrats who support RKBA. but the plural of anecdote is not data, and the data show the vast majority of politicians who are more favorably inclined toward RKBA are republicans. It's not even close. Look at the votes in 2009 in the Senate on the Thune Amendment or the sponsorship or HR 822 now. It's no different in California where the legislature has been controlled by democrats for at least the last 40 years IIRC. So yeah, on RKBA the data is pretty black and white.

Hey ccmc,

We definately concur.

To a rational person, your opinion is without doubt.

I don't vote for Dems because I care about 2A and private property rights. As I have said before, there are Benedict Arnold republicans. The odds are that most of the time, republicans will do the right thing. Republicans will do the right thing 60/40 while democrats will do the right thing 5/95.

A 5% positive voting record aint good enough.

The contrast is not arguable, except to a rationalizer.

markm

[taperxz]

As a stout independent, could someone tell me what republicans helped the 2A here in CA in let's say the last 40 years? Names and accomplishments please.

[markm]

Wow the reverse of the JB pro gun conspiracy theory

Hey taperxz,

No this is not conspiracy. Politics is war conducted by other means.

Democrats are masters of the game.

The tactic that I wrote about is common knowledge. We are witnessing the U.S. Senate use this tactic right now on Obama's jobs bill. Tester, Webb, and Manchon are facing tough re-election bids. They are talking against Obama policy. They are trying to save their jobs, even though they will vote for socialist policy if their votes are needed to pass legislation.

Do you belong to a union?

markm

[resident-shooter]

Um he sure is not a die hard right wing pro gun LaPierre, but by cali standards we can hardly complain. Think back to arnie.... This guy is at least half "reasonable" when it comes to gun laws. Also who cares about UOC anyways? If the only reason to have it is to have some moarans post stupid videos all over the web showing themselves irritating/trolling crowds and police with guns just to get the kicks out of it as well as abuse this freedom, then I utterly fail to see the point of fighting for it. CCW is what we should look forward to.

[Trailboss60]

As a stout independent, could someone tell me what republicans helped the 2A here in CA in let's say the last 40 years? Names and accomplishments please.

Q: On gun control issues, would you support more or less restrictions?

McCLINTOCK: Less restrictions. I believe that people have a fundamental natural right to defend themselves against violent predators, the right is enshrined in the second amendment to the US constitution.
Source: Recall debate in Walnut Creek Sep 3, 2003

Since the Democrats pretty much control the legislature and what bills ever see the light of day, you have what you have in Ca....having said that, the California Republican party does have it's share of country club Republicans of the Schwarzenegger mold, but the Democrat party truly deserves to have the title of gun grabber hung around their necks, they worked hard for that title.

[The Shadow]

We are not talking about the "Heller 5". We are talking about California courts that said UOC was a legitimate replacement for an LTC. Now that UOC is illegal I predict they will say LUCC or something else is a legitimate means of carry instead of ruling in our favor.

No, I believe it was a federal court judge that said UOC was a legitimate replacement for LTC.

[markm]

As a stout independent, could someone tell me what republicans helped the 2A here in CA in let's say the last 40 years? Names and accomplishments please.

Hey taperxz,

In order for your agenda to become law, you must have a majority in the legislature and a willing governor. Socialists have controlled this state for forty years.

Governors Duekmejian, Wilson, and ScwhartzenKennedy did not have the legistlature. Arnold had a neo-Marxist legislature. Arnold was the definition of a Benedict Arnold Republican. Governors are not kings.

Are you an independent because you don't have an ideology or core beliefs? My ideology is creator granted and constitutionally garaunteed rights first, socialism last. I am more libertarian than republican; however, libertarians can't win because they hold some crackpot beliefs (that last 10% of their beliefs ruin them).

Independents flap around like a flag. They usually vote for the candidate who makes them feel good. Not me.

markm

[markm]

No, I believe it was a federal court judge that said UOC was a legitimate replacement for LTC.

No, I believe it was two federal judges that opined that.

Bhobbs has it right. Those same two judges would probably rule, in light of AB 144, that there is some other reason to rule for the plaintiffs. Like LUCC, or 2A is home only.

markm

[The Shadow]

Hey taperxz,

In order for your agenda to become law, you must have a majority in the legislature and a willing governor. Socialists have controlled this state for forty years.

Governors Duekmejian, Wilson, and ScwhartzenKennedy did not have the legistlature. Arnold had a neo-Marxist legislature. Arnold was the definition of a Benedict Arnold Republican. Governors are not kings.

Are you an independent because you don't have an ideology or core beliefs? My ideology is creator granted and constitutionally garaunteed rights first, socialism last. I am more libertarian than republican; however, libertarians can't win because they hold some crackpot beliefs (that last 10% of their beliefs ruin them).

Independents flap around like a flag. They usually vote for the candidate who makes them feel good. Not me.

markm

Duekmegian and Wilson weren't exactly pro-gun. Remember Deukmejian signed the Roberti Roos bill. Pete Wilson did veto bills that would have enhanced Roberti Roos, beyond that I don't recall him signing any other pro-gun bills.

[taperxz]

Duke SIGNED roberti roos, He didn't veto it. Ronald Reagan signed the Brady Bill,

Independent means I don't drink anyone's kool aid. I fend for myself and trust no one.
Right is right and wrong is wrong! I don't need a political group to TELL me what's right or wrong!

[OleCuss]

As a stout independent, could someone tell me what republicans helped the 2A here in CA in let's say the last 40 years? Names and accomplishments please.

I can't think of any. Maybe some state legislators did some things behind the scenes so that we never did see some of the bad legislation we'd have otherwise seen?

But the flip side is that there have been very few Republicans in a powerful position in the state in the last few decades. The ones who did achieve some power weren't worth all that much. . .

Personally, I'll take my RKBA friends where I can find them in whatever party.

I'd even entertain the idea that if we want to achieve our political goals that the way to do it is to join the Democrat party en masse and then be activists within that party for our civil rights.