Gov. Brown is no fool

[FullMetalJacket]

As someone who started out HIGHLY skeptical of Jerry Brown, let me just say this:

I'd much rather he vetoed the ammunition bill and signed off on banning UOC (which is all but meaningless for defensive purposes, anyway) than the other way around. Practicing UOC is nothing but a political statement; access and affordability of ammunition is an integral part of our favorite passtime and 2nd Amendment freedoms.

I don't know whether the UOC activity has harmed (via public opinion) or helped (via pending court cases about the right to "bear") us, but we need to keep our eyes on the prize: concealed, loaded carry.

[ivsamhell]

Keep voting Democrat and you will destroy what little gun rights we have left in California.

The republican choice was vehemently antigun...........

[Super Spy]

Gerry Brown is a chameleon of sorts. By signing the anti-gun bills he can pander to his base, while at the same time serve us up a beautiful pitch. It's up to us to take that pitch and knock it outta the park. There is a silver lining to that dark cloud. As Gene always says "chess, not checkers." I think the Governor plays chess too, and he's not sitting across from us.

I hope you remembered your flame proof suit today making comments like that here as riled up as everyone one is. I'm not sure I agree with you, but I hope you're right.

[Purple K]

I hope you remembered your flame proof suit today making comments like that here as riled up as everyone one is. I'm not sure I agree with you, but I hope you're right.

I'm a Firefighter/EMT in an Oil Refinery, these little flames are nothing compared to what I'm used to.

[OleCuss]

I don't think JB's actions on Sunday are enough to fully characterize his position on the RBKA. He is certainly not a staunch friend of our RKBA, but I'm not yet convinced that he is an implacable foe, either.

At this point I think that the smart bet is that if the legislature sends him anti-RKBA legislation he will likely sign the bill unless it is clearly doomed and futile.

He is not going to take political hits in order to protect our RKBA - which is an argument for keeping the visibility on the streets nice and low. I'm betting that the recent Cupertino shootings did not help our cause at all, and neither did the UOC demonstrations.

But if it is clear to him that an anti-RKBA bill will be subject to litigation and will clearly fail as a result, he just might veto that bill.

So he signed a pro-RKBA bill because it was just cleaning up the language and did not make a legally substantive change.

He vetoed an amendment to a bill which had already been ruled unconstitutional and is likely to be definitively smacked down in the foreseeable future.

He signed the unconstitutional AB144, but the ban on UOC is not going to cost him politically. It will salve the pride of some votes he is going to need in the upcoming budget battles. Understand, because of the Republican near-irrelevance in this state he really doesn't need to accomodate conservative/libertarian concerns.

This is already getting too long so I won't delve any further.

But on RKBA issues I consider Brown to be anything but our friend - and I don't think he is deliberately giving us great fodder for court cases. But he is not an implacable foe, either - he is an opportunist fascist politician who is much more concerned about his legacy as interpreted by his fellow fascists than anything that you and I might treasure.

If we want to be relevant to Brown and others of his ilk, we need to be active within the NRA, the Republican party, and the Democrat party. We have to be legally and politically relevant since our civil rights don't really matter all that much to those in power.

[Smokeybehr]

I'm a Firefighter/EMT in an Oil Refinery, these little flames are nothing compared to what I'm used to.

Meh. At least you can walk away if it gets too hot. We have to whip out the Shake and Bakes and turn into a group of baked 'taters on the side of a hill.

[rt66paul]

Wrong. Brown is 100% against gun rights. Those of you who think that the ban on unloaded open carry will lead to a "shall issue" regime in California for carry permits are simply wrong too. All of Brown's actions evidence a deep hostility to gun rights in common with all Democrats. And these people can pass 20 anti-gun laws for every one that we get overturned or weakened in the courts, which is exactly what is happening.

Keep voting Democrat and you will destroy what little gun rights we have left in California.

Not all Democrats at all. Many republicans are against or will side with the majority when it comes down to campaign funding.You have to open your eyes and see who is giving money to all election campaigns. These are the same people that have pushed gun control through in England, australia, canada, on and on. These people run the world and run the UN. It will happen some day, let's hope and pray that we can keep it alive here as long as possable. We all know what is needed here so that our grand children and their grandchildren will be able to get their hands on them when they need to. Just do it! put away some on family land and keep the maps under lock and key. They could need them sooner rather than later.

[The Shadow]

Okay, just some thoughts on Jerry Brown.

1. Signed Amicus in favor of 2A. Check.

2. Signed AB610 to standardize 12050 PC. Check.

3. Vetoed bill to register ammo. Check.

As others have already said, long gun registration doesn't go into effect until 2014, that gives our side time to get it ruled unconstitutional. AB144 made carrying an unloaded handgun illegal, an issue that stood in the way of a ruling in our favor in Peruta. Now they're going to have to come up with an alternative to that which, in their mind satisfies, the right to bear arms. So what could that possibly be ?

Sorry, but I'm not seeing the bad side to this yet.

[ivsamhell]

Okay, just some thoughts on Jerry Brown.

1. Signed Amicus in favor of 2A. Check.

2. Signed AB610 to standardize 12050 PC. Check.

3. Vetoed bill to register ammo. Check.

As others have already said, long gun registration doesn't go into effect until 2014, that gives our side time to get it ruled unconstitutional. AB144 made carrying an unloaded handgun illegal, an issue that stood in the way of a ruling in our favor in Peruta. Now they're going to have to come up with an alternative to that which, in their mind satisfies, the right to bear arms. So what could that possibly be ?

Sorry, but I'm not seeing the bad side to this yet.

It seems our side already has more on their plate than resources allow to fight, now there's more.

[The Shadow]

It seems our side already has more on their plate than resources allow to fight, now there's more.

It's irrelevant right now.

[MolonLabe2008]

The dreamers keep dreaming.

[Bhobbs]

It's irrelevant right now.

How? This shows the anti's that Brown will sign their crap. That will just add to the crap we have to fight. They can add crap at a much greater rate than we can get rid of. It is completely relevant.

[curtisfong]

anti-gunners care more about appearance than effective law.

Why not sign useless laws if it distracts them from worrying about whether the really harmful laws are vetoed?

[The Shadow]

How? This shows the anti's that Brown will sign their crap. That will just add to the crap we have to fight. They can add crap at a much greater rate than we can get rid of. It is completely relevant.

As long as it's insignificant crap, who cares.

[Bhobbs]

As long as it's insignificant crap, who cares.

Because insignificant crap still has consequences. The UOC ban still strips people of one of their means of carry. It still takes time, money and effort to fight it. Stopping these bills before they become law is much more effective than spending time and money on "insignificant crap" that can be spent fighting the AW ban or the handgun roster.