Thank you Governor Brown.

[taperxz]

Here we go...

[Temporaryscars]

You could care less? Really? So what do we have to do to help you care less? Pay attention to your wah-wah?

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I hate it when people say that too.

[21SF]

WIth Dumb "rears" like you, we would still be British ruled......

[stix213]

How to deal with trolls:

[Just Dave]

I guess ran away.

[sevensix2x51]

[vincewarde]

Bill by Bill

Let's look at these Bill by Bill:

Signed SB 819 (DROS funds can be used by DOJ) - A tax issue more than a gun control issue, no surprise here.

Signed AB 144 (Ban open carry) - Brown is a good lawyer, and he knows this will probably force shall issue concealed carry. He's either willing to "risk" that, or he wants shall issue. Too soon to know what results may be, but could be good for gun rights.

Signed AB 809 (Registration of long guns, that means shotguns too) - MAY be unconstitutional under Heller II, and Brown surely knows this too - but I'll call this one the only clear victory for gun control.

Signed SB 610 (Standardization of CCW application process) - An NRA backed bill, signed by Brown. Victory for the gun rights movement

Vetoed SB 427 (Ammo registration) - Vetoed as unconstitutional. Let's get real, this would have been the worst of the bills. It would have discouraged people from shooting by driving ammo prices through the roof and less available by reducing outlets. It would have treated gun owners like criminals.

So, Brown signed two anti-gun rights bills - one of which has been predicted by many to have a pro-gun rights result. He vetoed one anti-gun rights bill, and signed one pro-gun rights bill. In addition he signed a tax bill.

In contrast, our RINO previous governor signed a bill very similar to the bill Brown vetoed. If I were a gun control advocate, I do not think I would be happy either.

[tacticalcity]

Best troll picture EVER!!! So gonna steal that and use it in the future.

All irony aside, our 2nd Amendment right guarentees his 1st amendment right. Maybe if he sticks around a while he'll learn something. Doubtful, but you never know. It is just that he doesn't realize it.

I'm a cold dead hands kinda guy but I'm in no hurry to chase of every anti under the sun. My convictions are strong enough to withstand and counter any argument he makes. He just hasn't made one yet. He just wants to stir the pot and ruffle some feathers.

[taperxz]

Best troll picture EVER!!!

What??? Don't make fun of me!!

[radioman]

I sent a PM to ww2ol and a link to warren v DC 1981, I hope he/she sees the truth, the cops won't save you, you need a gun to save your self.

[SideWinder11]

Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970’s I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

I was surprised a lot of people on this site voted for him too.

[Oceanbob]

I'll bet I could change your mind over Lunch and some time at the Range.

You may have a morbid fear of guns which is not realistic.

I've used a weapon to save my life......how about you?

As for Lunch...I'am buying.

Bob

[Kodemonkey]

I actually wouldn't call that trolling, he's not even baiting. Trolling is more subtle of an art form.

I'd actually like to see what his side is. Why would it be better that only the Police should posses firearms?

[smird]

What are you basing that "guess" on? Let's not debase LEO's, they have enough problems as it is.

I'm not debasing leos I'm debasing this guy. I'm basing my guess of him being a leo on the fact:

1) He states only leo and military should have guns. In his second post he's wanting to buy a gun. So he's either lying or he's military or leo and it's ok for him.

2) In his first post he's reminiscing about an old police training video. Sounds like something someone in law enforcement would do.

Do not assume I don't like LEOs that would eliminate quite a few of my family and friends.

[tacticalcity]

Let's look at these Bill by Bill:

Signed SB 819 (DROS funds can be used by DOJ) - A tax issue more than a gun control issue, no surprise here.

Signed AB 144 (Ban open carry) - Brown is a good lawyer, and he knows this will probably force shall issue concealed carry. He's either willing to "risk" that, or he wants shall issue. Too soon to know what results may be, but could be good for gun rights.

Signed AB 809 (Registration of long guns, that means shotguns too) - MAY be unconstitutional under Heller II, and Brown surely knows this too - but I'll call this one the only clear victory for gun control.

Signed SB 610 (Standardization of CCW application process) - An NRA backed bill, signed by Brown. Victory for the gun rights movement

Vetoed SB 427 (Ammo registration) - Vetoed as unconstitutional. Let's get real, this would have been the worst of the bills. It would have discouraged people from shooting by driving ammo prices through the roof and less available by reducing outlets. It would have treated gun owners like criminals.

So, Brown signed two anti-gun rights bills - one of which has been predicted by many to have a pro-gun rights result. He vetoed one anti-gun rights bill, and signed one pro-gun rights bill. In addition he signed a tax bill.

In contrast, our RINO previous governor signed a bill very similar to the bill Brown vetoed. If I were a gun control advocate, I do not think I would be happy either.

Brown also screwed over LEOs with an opinion letter reversing the previous opinion of the attorney generals office that officers that purchase AWs on their own dime would be allowed to keep them after retirement, turning those who already retired and kept them into criminals and screwing them all out of hard earned cash. Had they not previously been told they could keep them by the AG's office they could have planned accordingly and used off-list brands that could be deregistred and converted to non-AWs when they retire. Instead most bought on list brands because of those brands wider acceptance amogst law enforcement agencies nation wide.

While not a bill, opinion letters from the AG carry the weight of law. Judges rarely if ever rule against them. The fact that the previous letters were not directly from the AG, but a member of the previous AGs staff do not help the LEOs case. But clearly, they got the short end of the stick on this one. Promises were made and later broken.

If this had happened to civilians, there would have been some sort of registration process to cover those who who purchased in good faith based on the promises of the AG before the office changed it's mind. But the civilian gun community resents that LEOs were ever allowed to purchase AWs while the general populace was denied that right. So the required political pressure that should be there, isn't. There is a real, "I'm taking my ball and going home attitude amongst those who would otherwise be very vocal about defending gun owners".

I'm not saying Brown is flat out anti-gun but he's clearly not pro-gun either. He's a politician. He'll go which ever way makes the most sense for him. It's our job to make it so vetoing anti-gun bills are in his best interest. Not always an easy task in this liberal state but when we screw that up, we're to blame.

Personally I think we are missing the ball by not coming to the officers defense here. If it is considered socially acceptable for retired officers to own AWs, then it is not such a huge leap for people to see the need seperated and retired military to own AWs. Eventually the guns become devillianized. Once it's not such a taboo to own an AR or AK the it won't be such a large leap for the general population to see how everyone should be able to own them. Too many people are so absorbed with their own immediate interests to see how something that benefits others could eventually be used to benefit them. They are so busy taking the hard line, the miss out on opportunity after opportunity to gain ground on the overall PR war.