Carrying concealed w/o a permit

[ls2monaro]

Yes it is a gamble to carry without a license, I know of a guy who has carried his 1911 cocked and locked for 30+ years. He drives a 1992 GMC truck and hasn't been pulled over in over 10 years but he his also well versed in CA law. Whatever personal decision you choose, research it thoroughly and don't post anything questionable such as your original post.

To answer your question, the investigating officer has the discretion not to charge you for the firearm violations if you are cooperative, not a dirtbag, and legitimately acted in self defense. However, you will be SOL when the civil lawsuit comes from the dirtbag's family but at least you will still be alive to tell the story.

[themandylion]

If cops refused to enforce unconstitutional "laws," we wouldn't have to ask such questions.

So, who is to blame, those who rule as tyrants, or those who do their bidding?

[Flopper]

If cops refused to enforce unconstitutional "laws," we wouldn't have to ask such questions.

So, who is to blame, those who rule as tyrants, or those who do their bidding?

Well, "I was simply following orders!" was no defense at Nuremburg.

[warbird]

I think you could solve this in the ballot box and by letters to your county sheriff. If a sheriff is looking at thousands of letters from county citzens politely telling him that they are voting against him for restricting CCW permits from county citzens and the political parties are given the same warning on their candidates and you make it come true in the ballot booth then things will change. Scott Jones got into the Sacramento Sheriff's office because he made a public promise and now he is living up to it. He violates it and on next ballot I think the citizens will reject him. The big issue was would he honor his promise and keep his word. The man is smart and he knows most of his county (1 million plus population) is not going to be beating a path to his door but they are going to feel safer even if it is an illusion. Open carry was never a big issue in Sacramento and nobody freaked out if they did see someone doing it because I assume the cops usually used discretion. Use the ballot box and organize against those that restrict your rights no matter what they do in other area. A person who will restrict your rights will take everything you own and make you a slave.

[fairfaxjim]

this +10000

justified shooting is justified shooting, no matter if you have a CCW license or not. the question is whether they will charge you with CCW w/o a license.
THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER TALK TO COPS!!!!!!
let your lawyer make them explain how they know for sure you were CCW w/o license. If you don't tell them you were carrying illegally, then they have to prove it, and there are legal ways to carry w/o a permit. If they can't prove you weren't UOCing, then you'll likely get off the weapons charge. But it all hinges on you NOT talking to the cops!!!!!!!

This is so essential to surviving ANY police interaction/detention/arrest!

it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6......BUT IT'S BEST TO STFU WHEN COPS ASK YOU QUESTIONS!!!

Be careful with this one - you definitely don't want to end up being carried by 6, but if you have ever spent any time in jury deliberations, you also want to avoid putting yourself in a position to be judged by 12 chosen randomly from the collections of fruits, nuts, wackjobs, and a lot of other things I can't mention without being banned, available for jury duty in the marvelous State of California!

[NeuTag]

I am a resident in a California county that refuses(only if you are lucky or know someone will you be issued) to issue CCW's to law abiding citizens that are legally allowed to own a firearm. This limits people w/o a permit to open carry. Not the most desirable way to carry in my opinion. That being said, let me present someone out there who has legal knowledge, with a quick hypothetical situation.
Say a person(who HAS a CCW) is confronted by a group of criminals one night while walking down the street and these thugs threaten this person with great physical harm and/or death with a knife or baseball bats, and the victim genuinely feels his/her life is in imminent danger. Under the self defense laws, that victim is not req'd to retreat and can stand their ground and use lethal force if confronted w/ a lethal threat. Lets say that person presents their firearm and shoots in defense. Here is the question: how would a citizen who does NOT have a CCW be treated under the law differently given the same situation? I understand that they could be charged with carrying a firearm w/o a permit, but just because they did not have a permit doesn't mean that they had any less right to use lethal force if it was absolutely necessary-correct?
Any enlightenment on this would be appreciated!

I have known many people over the decades that do this. I have never done it as I don't own a pistol. My milsurp rifles are too personal to me to have them in the car. I do respect your right. I will support it. An Italian cousin of my ex-wife did carry and still does carry..without harm to the public...this is for thirty years now. About time laws reflect the common man. And not make him a criminal.

[AGGRO]

[QUOTE=Tacobandit;7294402]Here is your best option to combat the LTC laws here,
get one of these,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Concealment-Gun-Holster-Nylon-Vertical-Fanny-Pack-L-/170692615751?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27be129e47

comes on different sizes,
then one of these,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSA-Combination-Locks-2-PK-Red-Lewis-N-Clark-/220871262088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336cf3ff88

carry it unloaded locked with the combo 1 number away so it is easy unlock, it fits nicely under a shirt and I have never had anyone say anything about it, keep a few extra mags with you. If you get hinked up and you think something will go sideways then unlock the lock and unzip as discretely as you can, if you need to use it try and get to cover so you can load it, I can load up in about 3 or 4 seconds, yes it sucks to have to do this but it is a good way to carry and not land yourself in jail.[/QUO
Is a soft case legal, like a fanny pack? So long as it's locked? Also, isn't there restrictions on the type of locks?

[negolien]

no doubt

Now hang on there... just because you're denied a LTC does NOT mean you can CCW w/o a LTC. There's been some recommendations on this board to apply for a LTC before UOCing because if you get into trouble while UOCing you have the fact that you're just trying to exercise the only legal option available. That's entirely different than CCWing w/o LTC.

In fact, the fact that you applied and were denied makes things worse in my mind. It proves you 1) were fully aware of the LTC requirement and 2) were vetted by the proper authority and found unsuitable for a LTC. This makes you a poor test case for pushing shall-issue requirements (in my un-legal opinion), so don't expect CGF to be able to save you.

One other thing to keep in mind is that even in our future shall-issue utopia, some people will get denied for either good reason or reasons that are a bit of a stretch but stand up in court. Breaking the law isn't the answer.

Well said my friend I have seen some retarded advice in this here thread .

[ja308]

Kinda nice, a govt guarentee ,that thugs will not be injured in the course of their activities-- whoo hoo -lets hear it for the democratic party

[OHW]

"It's a good thing you had time to unlock and load your weapon as you were being threatened. That was a close one."

Close but not quite. You will be the next to make Bernard Goetz mistake. Still be at the scene to answer questions or be a hero . Somthing I learn from the criminals helps in the OP , run like the wind, vanish in the shadows. Live free.