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  • Ordnance1
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    • Jan 2010
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    Teacher told my 14 yr old daughter that the 2nd Amendment was "not really a right"

    OK, so my daughter comes home from middle school this week and starts talking about the constitution. Her teacher was reviewing the first, third, and ninth amendments and my daughter puts her hand up and asks why they are not covering the second amendment. Now although she is only 14, my daughter and I spend many enjoyable hours at the range and she is quite a good shot, not to mention she is more responsible with a firearm than some adults I know. She is also a firm believer in RKBA and 2a so she was somewhat upset when the teacher responded that the 2nd Amendment is really just a remnant of colonial days and not really a right in todays society. My daughter got quite upset and started telling the teacher and the class that ALL the amendments INCLUDING the second are absolutely applicable today and that while SOME people may not appreciate or agree with them all, it was her duty as a teacher to educate students on all of them equally and let them make their own decisions regarding them. She also told the teacher that as a teacher, it was extremely irresponsible and arrogant of her to think that she could decide which amendments she would teach her students about and which not. At that point she was ejected from the class and sent to the office for "disrupting" the students education. She told the principal about the situation but he just shrugged it off and told her not to be causing a disturbance in the class like that again. This incident has really got me worked up and the more I think abut it the more I want to file a complaint with the school board. This teacher cannot be allowed to arbitrarily decide what course material she can teach and what she can leave out. This amounts to nothing short of propaganda of sorts. What's next? Is she going to start putting a spin on historical events as well to suit her own liking? I really feel that something needs to be done about this. Any thoughts from others here? What would you do if you were in this situation?
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    69Mach1
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    • Jan 2006
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    I guess the 1st Amendment doesn't apply at that school either.

    Great job girl!
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    • #3
      bulgron
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      • Jul 2007
      • 2783

      I'd start by talking to the principal, and I'd bring a copy of Heller and McDonald with me as reading material for not just the principal, but also for the teacher in question. If that didn't do it, I'd go raise hell at the school board.

      But more than anything else, I'd have a long talk with my daughter about the broken ideas some people have about the 2A, and I'd take it as an opportunity to teach her how to deal with people in authority who want to limit our rights.

      If she has to write a paper about our rights, make sure she writes about the 2A; again, heavily referencing the Supreme Court decisions.
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      • #4
        anthonyca
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        • May 2008
        • 6316

        When I was in high school there was an ACLU poster on the wall that was completely missing the second amendment. The teacher said it was not part of the bill of rights.
        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

        Originally posted by Wherryj
        I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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        • #5
          quick draw mcgraw
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          • Apr 2009
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          Sounds like it's time to open up a can of 2A Whoop-*** on the teacher, principle, and school board!!!
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          • #6
            freonr22
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            • Dec 2008
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            I know they are swamped!!! But is something like this of interest to cgf? I mean to say, the teaching of anti's begin in school.... Just a thought
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            • #7
              rimfire78
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              • Mar 2010
              • 1696

              Follow your daughters brave lead. Set up a meeting with the teacher and the principal and reiterate what she said. And while you're at it, tell the principle he handled the situation badly too. Telling the truth shouldn't be perceived as disruptive.
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                BroncoBob
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                • Mar 2008
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                Parent / teacher conference with principle and school board members in attendance. Let them know that the Supreme Court up held the 2A.
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                  Dreaded Claymore
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                  • May 2010
                  • 3231

                  Definitely file any kind of complaint you can, for starters. I'm not sure what else you can do, though.

                  When I was in high school biology, during the two days we were supposed to talk about evolution, the teacher "just happened" to get sick. The substitute who replaced her was the retired teacher who had been the head of the science department. He proceeded to yell at us about God and the Bible for two days. The stupid Please don't defeat the word filters didn't know how to answer my questions about why his Christian religious beliefs were relevant in an exploration of biological science, but my Wiccan beliefs weren't for some reason.

                  Another teacher told me about how this guy had fed the same garbage to every student who went through his hands during the decades that he taught at the high school, and about how her father had tried tirelessly to get this "science" teacher fired, to no avail.

                  I'm sorry to be so discouraging, but the small amount of experience I have in situations like this indicate that the road ahead of you is pretty hard.

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                  • #10
                    tuna quesadilla
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                    • Apr 2006
                    • 5147

                    File a complaint saying that the teacher touched your daughter inappropriately?

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                    • #11
                      7x57
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                      • Nov 2008
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                      Funny this topic comes up--I was just putting this in my .sig:

                      Originally posted by R.C.Sproul, Jr. (unconfirmed)
                      What do you need guns for if you are going to send your children, seven hours a day, 180 days a year to government schools? What do you need the guns for at that point?
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                      I know every chance I get I'm going to accuse 7x57 of being a shill for LCAV. Because I can.

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                      • #12
                        c good
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                        • Oct 2005
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                        Call Sean Hannity...he loves to get this kind of educational abuse out there.

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                        • #13
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                          Go to a school board meeting and ask the school board if they gave the teacher the authority to teach the students that it's OK to ignore certain parts of the constitution as long as you don't agree with them. Then, go ahead and ask them if any of them even knows what the constitution says and why there have been ammendments. Finally, ask them "If the 2A no longer applies, why hasn't it been removed?"
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                          • #14
                            JaMail
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                            • Apr 2009
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                            seriously, i think someone should CGF to do a money bomb for this, as sad as it sounds, litigation is sometimes the only thing that works, and the principal has already blown it off.

                            do you have any pro 2A legislators around? get them involved.


                            if CGF did a money bomb on this, i would throw in 10.00 if we get 1k people to donate, might be enough to make it worthwhile to cause some noise in your city, county.
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                              JaMail
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                              • Apr 2009
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                              seriously, i think someone should CGF to do a money bomb for this, as sad as it sounds, litigation is sometimes the only thing that works, and the principal has already blown it off.

                              do you have any pro 2A legislators around? get them involved.


                              if CGF did a money bomb on this, i would throw in 10.00 if we get 1k people to donate, might be enough to make it worthwhile to cause some noise in your city, county.
                              Jason M- My 5 year old is a NRA life member, are you?

                              WTB: Stoeger Condor Competition Combo (I'll trade 1911's or other handguns)

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