"Way around" hi-cap mag laws? Update??

[Calplinker]

Remember Gene Hoffman's initiative that was telegraphed as a clever way to get around the hi cap mag laws here in California?

I'm referring to the one where he sold a few Ruger 10/22 mags of normal, 10 round capacity, presumabely to gain standing.

I've been in and out of late, so sorry if this died a death of some sort and I missed it.

If not, whatever happened to that inititative?

[Rock6.3]

The sale was step one of many.

Other steps have not been revealed to us, and some of those have been delayed due to strategic work that is needed on other pressing initiatives.

(The above is my recollection of the status of the project as last I read about it.)

[Calplinker]

Mags

The sale was step one of many.

Other steps have not been revealed to us, and some of those have been delayed due to strategic work that is needed on other pressing initiatives.

(The above is my recollection of the status of the project as last I read about it.)

Excellent. Delayed due to other, more important work is a LOT better than dead.

Thanks!!

[bwiese]

^ correct.

We're kinda busy on the lawyering front now with a variety of matters.
I'm sure you can kinda sorta figure out what these matters are.

The item is not 'dead' but "to be integrated into workflow when time/resources permit".

In no way has this path been obviated or found problems with, etc.

And while everything is completely legal in this 'magazine specialty path' we just do not have relevant support paperwork that was in hand when we started doing the OLL campaign. Such paperwork/backing needs to be generated so we have 'instant refutation' if someone gets plucked so things don't have to go to trial.

If we do this right, nobody even gets to trial and in a year after that nobody ever is popped for a hicap mag violation unless they self-immolate and or do something stupid (Cabela's, instead of the special path).

We also now have communications path and at least grudging credibility with certain parts of DOJ such that when things are ready to start we will likely inform them and say, "This is what's happening. There's nothing you can do about it. If you do X or Y, we will do A, B, C."

Hell, they may well also be enjoined from even DOING anything about it.

That preparatory AW-related paperwork in the start of the OLL days was very useful in preventing things from going crazy - and much of it was from a prior half decade of work product of CA NRA lawyer work (Chuck Michel, Jason Davis). So we had some pretty good shoulders to stand on then. We've learned a lot since then.

Now, this particular matter is 'neat' but is not quite up the list.

In the immediate view, it's a matter of lawyer time more than $ resources.

In the longer view, with more resources we can get some auxiliary legal help that is Properly Supervised By Right People to create additional work product for these slightly-lower-than-1st Tier issues.

So your donations to CGF are helpful in ability to open new fronts as opposed to just 'sustaining' or 'Working On the Obvious Big Things'.

Freedom isn't free - and that includes the ability to render CA magazine law effectively nullified and ultimately (from a practical standpoint) unenforceable even if on the books. Think about that when you write your check.









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[Caladain]

[B]^ correct.

Gura's about to get a huge payday (first of many!)

That cash is his, no dispute, but is there any word on if he'll reinvest a chunk of it into funding...himself...to get bigger rewards?

[vincnet11]

Remember Gene Hoffman's initiative that was telegraphed as a clever way to get around the hi cap mag laws here in California?

I'm referring to the one where he sold a few Ruger 10/22 mags of normal, 10 round capacity, presumabely to gain standing.

I've been in and out of late, so sorry if this died a death of some sort and I missed it.

If not, whatever happened to that inititative?

[smird]

^ correct.

We're kinda busy on the lawyering front now with a variety of matters.
I'm sure you can kinda sorta figure out what these matters are.

The item is not 'dead' but "to be integrated into workflow when time/resources permit".

In no way has this path been obviated or found problems with, etc.

And while everything is completely legal in this 'magazine specialty path' we just do not have relevant support paperwork that was in hand when we started doing the OLL campaign. Such paperwork/backing needs to be generated so we have 'instant refutation' if someone gets plucked so things don't have to go to trial.

If we do this right, nobody even gets to trial and in a year after that nobody ever is popped for a hicap mag violation unless they self-immolate and or do something stupid (Cabela's, instead of the special path).

We also now have communications path and at least grudging credibility with certain parts of DOJ such that when things are ready to start we will likely inform them and say, "This is what's happening. There's nothing you can do about it. If you do X or Y, we will do A, B, C."

Hell, they may well also be enjoined from even DOING anything about it.

That preparatory AW-related paperwork in the start of the OLL days was very useful in preventing things from going crazy - and much of it was from a prior half decade of work product of CA NRA lawyer work (Chuck Michel, Jason Davis). So we had some pretty good shoulders to stand on then. We've learned a lot since then.

Now, this particular matter is 'neat' but is not quite up the list.

In the immediate view, it's a matter of lawyer time more than $ resources.

[B]In the longer view, with more resources we can get some auxiliary legal help that is Properly Supervised By Right People to create additional work product for these slightly-lower-than-1st Tier issues.

So your donations to CGF are helpful in ability to open new fronts as opposed to just 'sustaining' or 'Working On the Obvious Big Things'.

Freedom isn't free - and that includes the ability to render CA magazine law effectively nullified and ultimately (from a practical standpoint) unenforceable even if on the books. Think about that when you write your check.

So? two weeks then?

[dantodd]

In terms of donations, I think a 30 rd. "CalGuns Foundation" AR magazine would make a much better premium than a KQED ball cap.

[SwissFluCase]

In terms of donations, I think a 30 rd. "CalGuns Foundation" AR magazine would make a much better premium than a KQED ball cap.

I'll take ten.

Regards,


SwissFluCase

[chead]

In terms of donations, I think a 30 rd. "CalGuns Foundation" AR magazine would make a much better premium than a KQED ball cap.

I would take a Calguns 30-round AK-74 mag at a MASSIVE premium as a donation and a thank-you if/when this happens.

[Wherryj]

In terms of donations, I think a 30 rd. "CalGuns Foundation" AR magazine would make a much better premium than a KQED ball cap.

I have read previously that the magazine issue being worked upon is NOT related to the AW rules. These would be PISTOL magazines that are more than 10 rounds, not AR/AK magazines.

The "CGF" AR magazines might take a few more "weeks"...(decades?) Unless you mean for featureless builds and you had the "CGF" magazine before the law passed?

[jwkincal]

I don't see how they could be different the way the magazine law is written...

[GettoPhilosopher]

I would take a Calguns 30-round AK-74 mag at a MASSIVE premium as a donation and a thank-you if/when this happens.

Nah, needs to be more evil. How about a 100rd Beta C Mag?

[dantodd]

I have read previously that the magazine issue being worked upon is NOT related to the AW rules. These would be PISTOL magazines that are more than 10 rounds, not AR/AK magazines.

There is nothing in the AW laws the prohibit 30 rd. AR magazines. You just have to use them in "featureless" builds.

[Charlie50]

Put me down for a few

In terms of donations, I think a 30 rd. "CalGuns Foundation" AR magazine would make a much better premium than a KQED ball cap.

I will pledge at least $100. when we get rid of normal cap crap laws.

Such BS nonsense, I talk to friends in other states and they just cannot believe the convoluted state of affairs in our fair state. I try to explain "featureless" and/ or if you had the mags before 2000, can possess, but can't sell...yada yada. Ok I guess I need to buck up again do the calguns contributor deal, BTW you cheap skates reading this forum have reason to feel twangs of guilt... you'all want the bennies but don't wanna feel no pain... belly up and pay up.