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I have a brother who is currently stationed in North Carolina, I am in California. I would like to purchase a handgun from an online dealer, not on California's handgun list, for him for Christmas and have it shipped to his local FFL. He will be picking it up and doing all the paperwork for it under his name. I believe this is legal, since he can legally own the firearm and he is doing the paperwork for it. But I just wanted to make sure here before showing up on some list and getting a knock at my door.
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it might look like a straw purchase, but go for it.PSN name= entwie_dumaylaOriginally posted by 2761377
"I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
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Since we can never hope to understand why we're here, if there's even anything to understand, the individual should choose a goal and pursue it wholeheartedly, despite the certainty of death and the meaninglessness of action.
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in North Carolina what are the procedures for buying a gun?PSN name= entwie_dumaylaOriginally posted by 2761377
"I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
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Might be less hassle to just send him the money and let him buy it and/or have it shipped in to his ffl for transfer to himself.
I know people buy firearms at Christmas to give to their kids all the time, yet I think in this case you'll be better off letting him do it.sigpicNRA LIFE MEMBERComment
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Sounds good. I will send him the money.Since we can never hope to understand why we're here, if there's even anything to understand, the individual should choose a goal and pursue it wholeheartedly, despite the certainty of death and the meaninglessness of action.
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You're exactly correct, but that's because he is the only party to that purchase. Once you introduce the brother into the equation, one could argue it could turn into a straw purchase. For example, one brother sets up deal, the second brother does the transfer. At what point does the FFL suspect a straw deal is going down? The FFL has no way to know if the second brother hands it off to the first, possibly being prohibited. It would then be at the discretion of the FFL/ATF as to what they think is happening.
Easier to let brother do the deal.sigpicNRA LIFE MEMBERComment
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Gift certificate might be a possible solution, too.I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!Comment
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Just order the gun to be shipped to his FFL. In the "order comments" box put something like "Happy Birthday!!!".
I can't imagine any FFL ever questioning that. Legitimate gifts are not straw sales.Please read the Calguns Wiki
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--Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"Comment
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I agree. Where I work we allow parents to buy for their underage kids. However since the brother is not a minor, it might raise some eyebrows and the participating FFL's may opt out of the transaction. The FFL would rather error on the side of caution so they can keep their FFL instead of possibly getting into trouble with the DOJ.Comment
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I have always thought of straw purchases as something that deals with intention
If the brother is getting the background check down on him I really dont see how they are circumventing the law"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison
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How so? In this case the buyer is not even filling out paperwork or taking possession of the gun. Did you know that it is 100% legal to buy a gun, take it home and then give it away as a gift? In some states like Ca, you might have to transfer it through a dealer again. But, in some states, you don't have to do any extra paperwork at all. Have you ever filled out a 4473? If so, did you ever notice that you have to answer the question "Is this firearm being purchased as a gift?" or something like that. It's commonly done and perfectly legal. A straw purchase only has to do with intent and the actual buyer not wanting to fill out paperwork or being able to legally own a gun.
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Seems like a perfect situation for an Amex or Visa gift card. You can provide him the web link to the item and the card. That way, if he decides he wants to upgrade, it's his call.He who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them.
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