DOJ AW storage inspection

[Ford8N]

Has anyone ever been inspected? If you have a registered AW, especially over five, the DOJ has the right to inspect how you secure your toys. I was just wondering if anyone has let "The Man" in their house. I've never heard of anyone being inspected.


12289.5. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person, firm, or corporation to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons.
(b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

[Sgt Raven]

Thats for AW permit holders, not people that just have registered AW's.

[Ford8N]

Ok

But what's the difference?

[delloro]

you don't have an AW permit. you would know it if you did.

[383green]

Ok

But what's the difference?

I think the AW permit is for FFLs who are allowed to deal with them (i.e., for law enforcement purchases). It's different than and separate from registration of AWs if I'm not misaken.

[edbon9]

basically you need to have an FFL or corporation, before getting an AW weapons permit. you go thru an AW permit holder to sell your guns out of state, etc,etc. that's the reason why they can be 'audited'

[Rumpled]

I believe that AW permits are also for studio armorer types.

[MicronuT]

permit lets you buy and sell.. (for an ffl)
with us here in the PRK, that would basically mean, to sell them out of state.

different than hte holder of a AW registration card, which is of a private entity. meaning owners such as you and i

[rkt88edmo]

Couldn't find much info on the CA DOJ site, but the AW permit is for dealers and gunsmiths who want to buy and sell AWs or hold/store them when you are not present.

If I take my reg'd AW to a gunsmith, he can work on it whether or not he has a permit, but I must stay on the premises. If I want to leave the building or leave it over night with him (no longer in my immediate possession) then he would have to have a permit.

[bwiese]

There are AW dealer and repair permits for FFL. There are corresponding 50BMG ones as well.

There also is a separate AW ownership permit that is separate & distinct from our registration of our AWs.

In fact if you want to use an AW in a way other than the specific authorized uses for an AW, you must apply for a permit. Fat chance you'll get one.

In theory, if you're moving into CA and have AWs, you are supposed to seek a permit. I have not heard of any being granted (but would like to know if they have been granted for mere mortals moving in).

I don't even know if any AW permits for 'regular people' exist. The MAWP (Military Assault Weapons Permit) is a special case of this, by the way...

[wilit]

So what firey hoops would one have to jump through to get an FFL (from what I hear, it's not that hard since it's federal) and a CA AW permit? Or do you need to have a buisness license to obtain a permit?

[bwiese]

So what firey hoops would one have to jump through to get an FFL (from what I hear, it's not that hard since it's federal) and a CA AW permit? Or do you need to have a buisness license to obtain a permit?

It's well-nigh impossible to get a kitchen-table FFL anymore. You're gonna need a business permit, and must be properly zoned. And you need a CA dealers license, etc.

AW dealer permittees have even more rigorous storage & security requirements. Unless you're doing real LEO AW business and estate handling, it's probably not worth it. And even with a dealer permit you likely can't take the inventory guns out for regular playtime use - they're the business' inventory, not yours.

[Ford8N]

"And even with a dealer permit you likely can't take the inventory guns out for regular playtime use - they're the business' inventory, not yours."


What about taking them out for cleaning and testing. You wouldn't want them to stovepipe during a demo.

[TonyM]

It's well-nigh impossible to get a kitchen-table FFL anymore. You're gonna need a business permit, and must be properly zoned. And you need a CA dealers license, etc.

Also, depending on where you live it may be impossible to get a business license for a gun store in your city, or many around you. I'm pretty sure my city wouldn't allow it, it's been in the paper that they refused to let some people open one of those "massage oil / candle" type shops. The hopeful new owners said the city claimed it was too close to being a porno store and refused to grant the license... The applicants swore there wasn't going to be any porno stuff, but who knows..

In any case, I think alot of the people that sit in on these city boards are so anti that they only see the negative image of a gun store in their town.

[delloro]

and the ffl fees went way up. atf and the executive branch decided there were too many kitchen-table ffls and revised the program to reduce that number as far as possible.

c&r for hobby, ffl for business.