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  • Alta
    Junior Member
    • May 2006
    • 25

    Legally Registered AW's and high capacity magazines

    I used to think I was clear on this, but with all the "off list" and "bullet button", and magazine capacity discussion, I'm getting a little confused.

    So with the disclaimer that this isn't legal advice, here's my question:

    Can I still put high capacity magazines in my legally registered (prior to the end of 2000) AWs or is it now that they can be detachable but have to be 10 rounds or less (or whatever the definition is of "low capacity").

    As I said I used to feel clear on this but all the "off list" and "california compliant" discussion has muddied it for me. Since I don't go to public ranges it hasn't been much of an issue, but if I do, I want to do it legally.

    Thanks
  • #2
    Ron-Solo
    In Memoriam
    • Jan 2009
    • 8581

    If you legally possessed 11+ round magazines prior to 1/1/2000 and have a legally registered "Assault Weapon" per California law, you may used them is such a weapon.

    Some ranges may have issues with it, but it is legal.
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    • #3
      Beelzy
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2008
      • 9224

      You can stuff any capacity mag in your RAW's.

      The crap (sorry but that's what it is), you mentioned is for Post Ban Rifles.
      "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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      • #4
        Alta
        Junior Member
        • May 2006
        • 25

        I guess that's part of the crap that cunfused me. We now have pre-ban, post-ban, legally registered, and off list hence post-post-ban. Not that I am opposed to off list fun....

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        • #5
          Uxi
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2008
          • 5155

          A registered banned semi-auto means it's almost like you're in a Free State.

          WTF wasn't there a bigger fight to them ever putting a deadline on it? The only deadline that makes sense is one that has an entire law sunset to be renewed/reconsidered.
          "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

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          • #6
            Alta
            Junior Member
            • May 2006
            • 25

            There was a deadline and I think it was actually in late Jan 2001 - IIRC I ran it to within a couple days of the deadline while I deliberated on it all.

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            • #7
              Uxi
              Calguns Addict
              • Apr 2008
              • 5155

              Right, I mean the fight should have been over mandating continued registration instead of a sunset period that makes it a de facto ban. The lack of ability to transfer/inherit is also a severe threat to basic property rights.
              "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

              9mm + 5.56mm =
              .45ACP + 7.62 NATO =
              10mm + 6.8 SPC =
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              • #8
                Librarian
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                • Oct 2005
                • 44633

                Originally posted by Alta
                Can I still put high capacity magazines in my legally registered (prior to the end of 2000) AWs
                Yes. (ETA fixed the silly 'yes' to a disjunctive 'or' - by removing the false option.)

                The issue with more than 10 rounds applies to OLLs with magazine locks - if you use those two together, you illegally manufacture an 'assault weapon'.

                But you already have an 'assault weapon', and I bet you don't have a magazine lock on it.

                So, use whatever magazines you like.
                Last edited by Librarian; 09-01-2011, 10:08 PM.
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                • #9
                  dantodd
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 9360

                  Also, owning a registered AW doesn't mean you can buy new "large capacity" magazines, you are free to use any that you already own and you can rebuild them with newer, better parts.
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                  • #10
                    bwiese
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 27621

                    Originally posted by Alta
                    Can I still put high capacity magazines in my legally registered (prior to the end of 2000) AWs or is it now that they can be detachable but have to be 10 rounds or less (or whatever the definition is of "low capacity").
                    You are indeed free to use mags that hold over 10 rounds with semiauto centerfire rifles or semiauto pistols that have detachable magazines providing they were properly registered (Roberti-Roos/SB23) at right time with DOJ.

                    The other rifles we commonly call 'off-list' or 'California-compliant' are not defined by 12276/12276.1PC-prohibited configurations and are not specially registered/registerable (for now). As such, a maglock'd semauto centerfire rifle CANNOT be used with an over-10-round magazine.

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                    • #11
                      CHS
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                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 11338

                      Originally posted by Alta
                      I guess that's part of the crap that cunfused me. We now have pre-ban, post-ban, legally registered, and off list hence post-post-ban. Not that I am opposed to off list fun....
                      Not really.

                      In California "Pre-ban" and "post-ban" don't exist. Those were terms referring to the Federal AWB. They still have it in a few states like NJ and NY, but not in CA.

                      Ignore all pre/post ban terms.

                      In CA you either have AW's or compliant guns. If they're an AW, they should be registered otherwise they are generally illegal. And you can still use large-capacity magazines even in regular compliant guns, as long as they do not have a magazine lock/bullet button or any SB23 features.

                      I can go to Turners and buy a Mini-14 TODAY and 10 days from now lawfully stuff some of my 30rd'ers in it.
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