California Guns on Campus

[dantodd]

In the Post columbine/"zero-tollerance" days where kids get expelled for nail clippers I wouldn't put it past them. Of course this was before said favorite civil rights organization existed in my life, and before the current political climate. Although I would prefer to not be the test case, I've waited long enough to finish.

I should have been more specific. I meant College or University. High School students do NOT have a full bank of civil rights.

[dantodd]

Its written policy.... If you want to challenge the policy I can give you all the contact info you want.

I can say for certain that one who chooses to walk on campus and is discovered to be carrying, will be removed and probably banned.

Policies like this are challenged in court, I'm fairly sure that Gene knows the right contact info for that endeavor.

I can say confidently that one who chooses to expel a student from a public College or University for carrying a duly licensed firearm can expect to be served in fairly short order.

[mark1616]

I'm well aware of the policies

...and that's what I have been referring to, that which you seem to be arguing with, the policy... I am expressing my displeasure with them, being directly affected by them.

that doesn't make them legal or constitutional.

I would agree they are not constitutional. Whether or not they are currently legal may be a different story.

Policies like this are challenged in court, I'm fairly sure that Gene knows the right contact info for that endeavor.

The contact info to which I was referring was for the college district. In case Gene would like to take it up with them as to whether or not they can have such a policy. The (obvious) point being, it isn't my argument. My argument is they are there, and I don't like it.


It's easy to say, "Go ahead and carry, it's legal!" It's more difficult to feed your family after you were fired for carrying on the job.

[dantodd]

I would agree they are not constitutional. Whether or not they are currently legal may be a different story.

Actually, if they are unconstitutional they are, by definition, illegal. However; they are on the books and would likely be enforced until competently challenged.

The contact info to which I was referring was for the college district. In case Gene would like to take it up with them as to whether or not they can have such a policy. The (obvious) point being, it isn't my argument. My argument is they are there, and I don't like it.

Perhaps you missed my point. The right place to do this is not by following a path of challenging the rule at each of the hundreds (thousands?) of public college and university campuses in CA. The way you resolve this issue is in the courts.

It's easy to say, "Go ahead and carry, it's legal!" It's more difficult to feed your family after you were fired for carrying on the job.

Sorry, if that is what you thought I was saying. I meant no such thing. Also, the employer/employer relationship is quite different than the student/public college relationship. It is possible that the state could disarm employees while at work.

[mark1616]

Actually, if they are unconstitutional they are, by definition, illegal. However; they are on the books and would likely be enforced until competently challenged.

I quite agree. Helmet laws and seat belt laws come to mind.

Perhaps you missed my point. The right place to do this is not by following a path of challenging the rule at each of the hundreds (thousands?) of public college and university campuses in CA. The way you resolve this issue is in the courts.

Again I agree, but my comment to Gene was never about resolving the issue, only with whether such policies exist and are enforceable.

Thanks for the thorough response.