Gunmakers up in arms over proposed UN treaty

[Bigtime1]

Is there a more useless, ineffective, inefficient, corrupt group than the UN?

(No fair saying "Obama Administration" either)

The slap in the face is that U.S.A. funds the majority of this crap.

[Bigtime1]

So far Sacramento has brought you an "assault weapon" ban based on cosmetic features, 10 round magazines and a handgun roster that makes no sense. There are people there that won't stop until your gun safe is empty. The UN hasn't impacted you at all.

So far Sacramento has brought you an "assault weapon" semiautomatic rifle ban based on cosmetic features, 10 round restricted magazines and a handgun roster that makes no sense. There are people there that won't stop until your gun safe is empty. The UN hasn't impacted you at all.

[kemikalembalance]

quote ^^^. Well said. And ill probably be stoned for saying this, but... I do believe that there is a place for everyone in this country. The liberals and the conserves, the anti's and the pro's. I believe as you say, this country is opposite of most the world. One man may stand up against another man and both can be heard by the masses. Most other counties, they would be shot! I guess the US has to play the game. It would be nice for our "fearless" leader to stand up for his people and honestly say to the world "G F Y S !" Sometimes. There are so many important people here that disagree with the world, and voice it, loudly, that im sure the world hates our freedoms. And would love for us to conform.

[a1c]

quote ^^^. Well said. And ill probably be stoned for saying this, but... I do believe that there is a place for everyone in this country. The liberals and the conserves, the anti's and the pro's. I believe as you say, this country is opposite of most the world. One man may stand up against another man and both can be heard by the masses. Most other counties, they would be shot! I guess the US has to play the game. It would be nice for our "fearless" leader to stand up for his people and honestly say to the world "G F Y S !" Sometimes. There are so many important people here that disagree with the world, and voice it, loudly, that im sure the world hates our freedoms. And would love for us to conform.

First of all, no, the "world" doesn't hate your freedoms. As someone who grew up in another country, travelled quite a bit and immigrated here 12 years ago, I get seriously annoyed when I hear this. It's nonsense.

No. Most people outside the US don't "hate" your "freedoms." They don't care about our freedoms, in fact. They may misunderstand the First Amendment, they may roll their eyes at our beliefs in the Second Amendment, they may not like the way some US administrations have gotten into "nation-building", but they don't "hate our freedoms." They don't really care about our freedoms here as long as it doesn't impact theirs. The rest is a myth.

[FourTenJaeger]

"require countries that host firearms manufacturers to set up a compensation fund for victims of gun violence worldwide "

Really? So now just about everyone deserves money? **** The UN.

[dfletcher]

People may wish to read Reid v Covert (1956) on the subject of treaties and the Constitution in which the court declared:

"No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land...’

"There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result...

"It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights – let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition – to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power UNDER an international agreement, without observing constitutional prohibitions. (See: Elliot’s Debates 1836 ed. – pgs 500-519).

"In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined."

I presume this was the result of interest in the Bricker Amendment making its way through the system in the early and mid 50's.

I'm more concerned with our current President's and ATF's penchant for admin law endeavors than the UN's efforts.

[ojisan]

Never forget:

[safewaysecurity]

I know that lots of gunnies in foreign countries are really worried about this treaty. Some of the full-auto gun owners in places like New Zealand don't know if they are going to have their guns taken away or not or if they will be able to import or export anything even ammunition. Don't think just because we have a constitution that this is not a real threat. It is a huge threat.

[a1c]

"require countries that host firearms manufacturers to set up a compensation fund for victims of gun violence worldwide "

Really? So now just about everyone deserves money? **** The UN.

This is a Third vs. First World proposition which won't go anywhere anyway. Some activists and relief workers in some poor countries feel strongly about it because they see a lot of guns manufactured in one of the big countries (generally from one of those nations that have a seat on the Security Council) dumped into their countries and fueling the violence and oppressing regimes or guerillas. It's really a geopolitical issue which should be addressed but also refuted by underlining how much violence occurred for instance in Rwanda, most of it being performed with blades.

It's about scapegoating manufacturers and manufacturing countries. I much support the idea of fighting illicit weapons trading, like most 2A supporters in the US, but obviously the principle behind this compensation fund is just as flawed and full of demagoguery as the concept of suing gun manufacturers for gun-related crimes.

[blazeaglory]

Never forget:

Just saw it off and you got a snub nose

[kemikalembalance]

^^^Ha! It still works. We"ll always find a way.