Gun registration, licensing and tracking.

[nicki]

Many people post about the registration and confiscation and off course the issue now is the ATF and the "Gunrunner scandal".

And let's not forget the UN and the Small Arms treaty.

To me the simple solution is the following, build your own gun(s).

Hell, some people would probably violate the law and build copies of commercial guns they got and put matching stamps and serial numbers, then turn in the cheap copy gun.

If the US government did ban possession of privately owned guns, what they would do is ask us to turn them in first, like they did in Australia and England first.

If you go and "bury your guns", they have effectively disarmed you since you will not be able to access your guns when you need them.

Use a "illegal gun" for defense against a "Criminal", go directly to jail.

My point being is if this is something you are concerned about, get involved so that this won't happen in the first place.

Nicki

[Cowboy T]

If the US government did ban possession of privately owned guns, what they would do is ask us to turn them in first, like they did in Australia and England first.

If that came to pass--and that's a big "if", given the 2A's existence--they likely wouldn't "ask" us. Rather, they'd do like they did with the jackbooted thugs in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

There is reported to be one neighborhood down there that those jackboots didn't invade like that. This neighborhood, armed to the teeth, apparently had been tipped off and had gotten ready. I understand that at least one of the residents had a .50 BMG, and that there were many .308 Wins, .30-06's, etc. The jackboots showed up with their M-16's, saw all that firepower pointed at them, and decided "hmm...maybe not, let's go elsewhere."

Sounds exactly like what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the 2A. Just replace "British troops" with "jackbooted thugs", and it's an eerie parallel, isn't it?

My point being is if this is something you are concerned about, get involved so that this won't happen in the first place.
Nicki

And that's why we have organizations like CalGuns, CCRKBA, VCDL, etc. This is why we should support our local pro-2A organizations. This is also why we should advocate reloading our own ammo. Remember AB 962....

[rshoemaker]

another reason I am a proponate of the oath keepers. Those jackbooted thugs are supposed to defend the constitution not piss on it.

[five.five-six]

if you are not doing anything wrong, I don't see where you have anything to worry about. wouldn't only guilty people be opposed to licensing and tracking?

[taperxz]

if you are not doing anything wrong, I don't see where you have anything to worry about. wouldn't only guilty people be opposed to licensing and tracking?

I think the point is that the government would have direct knowledge of your personal property and therefore knock on your door to take your guns.

Unregistered guns would be impossible to locate. It would make it harder for the government to effectively collect guns.

[luckystrike]

hmm. how long do ffls keep dros for longguns?

[repubconserv]

if you are not doing anything wrong, I don't see where you have anything to worry about. wouldn't only guilty people be opposed to licensing and tracking?

[cadurand]

if you are not doing anything wrong, I don't see where you have anything to worry about. wouldn't only guilty people be opposed to licensing and tracking?

I would pose the same question to you. If I'm not doing anything wrong, why does the government need to be able to track my firearm?

[Big Dog Howie]

if you are not doing anything wrong, I don't see where you have anything to worry about. wouldn't only guilty people be opposed to licensing and tracking?

I guess you are not old enough to remember Nazi Germany

[EBR Works]

hmm. how long do ffls keep dros for longguns?

3 years for California DROS records. 20 years for the ATF form 4473.

[xXRifleManXx]

Many people post about the registration and confiscation and off course the issue now is the ATF and the "Gunrunner scandal".

And let's not forget the UN and the Small Arms treaty.

To me the simple solution is the following, build your own gun(s).

Hell, some people would probably violate the law and build copies of commercial guns they got and put matching stamps and serial numbers, then turn in the cheap copy gun.

If the US government did ban possession of privately owned guns, what they would do is ask us to turn them in first, like they did in Australia and England first.

If you go and "bury your guns", they have effectively disarmed you since you will not be able to access your guns when you need them.

Use a "illegal gun" for defense against a "Criminal", go directly to jail.

My point being is if this is something you are concerned about, get involved so that this won't happen in the first place.

Nicki

^^^smart lady ^^^^

[radioman]

I might live long enough to see the revolt after all.

[rjh4758]

If they just straight up came knocking right away, there would be a lot of trouble. People will be fighting mad at first. If only .01%, thats 1/100 of 1 percent, of the 80 million gun owners fight back with the gun grabbers that would be 8,000 Waco's.

So the only way it would happen is:

1 Ammo supply cut off

2.They would ask for voluntary surrender

3.Then things would cool and after you have calmed they would come knocking, most likely a year or two had passed by then.

I can not see an immediate gun seizure like in other countries. There are 80,000,000 gun owners in the US, imagine the revolts that would happen. They will slowly erode the second amendment until we can not even buy a BB gun and then wait for us to run out of ammo.

Just remember the second amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Free State - guns = no free state

The second amendment is there to prevent tyranny like that which was endured under British rule.

[Wherryj]

If they just straight up came knocking right away, there would be a lot of trouble. People will be fighting mad at first. If only .01%, thats 1/100 of 1 percent, of the 80 million gun owners fight back with the gun grabbers that would be 8,000 Waco's.

So the only way it would happen is:

1 Ammo supply cut off

2.They would ask for voluntary surrender

3.Then things would cool and after you have calmed they would come knocking, most likely a year or two had passed by then.

I can not see an immediate gun seizure like in other countries. There are 80,000,000 gun owners in the US, imagine the revolts that would happen. They will slowly erode the second amendment until we can not even buy a BB gun and then wait for us to run out of ammo.

Just remember the second amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Free State - guns = no free state

The second amendment is there to prevent tyranny like that which was endured under British rule.

I can't see cutting off the ammo supply as any sort of guarantee of success for the government, however. There are a lot of people with quite a bit more ammunition on hand than would be needed for immediate use-and I suspect that the lack of trips to the range would allow said ammunition to last a bit longer.

Then there are those with significant amounts of power and reloading supplies...

[Wernher von Browning]

So the only way it would happen is:

1 Ammo supply cut off
...
They will slowly erode the second amendment until we can not even buy a BB gun and then wait for us to run out of ammo.

Yes. Or the recent "shortage" of primers. (If a couple of little pissant non-wars put that much stress on the military ammunition supply, what happens when -- not if -- there is a major military confrontation?)

One might be able (with difficulty) to form one's own brass, and cast one's own bullets, but without primers and powder, you're pretty much out of business. Sure, you can make blackpowder, but at that point you might as well switch to crossbows.

The idea of hiding the guns "until you really, REALLY, I mean it this time" need them, is wishful thinking too. If you can't legally go out to the range to practice in the meantime, your ability to do anything useful with them "when the time comes" is going to be seriously degraded.