Quick question for you that know more about the law than I do. I am a federal cop on Edwards AFB. Now, as opposed to POST certified cops like CHP, LAPD, LASD, etc, we do not have law enforcement rights while we are not on duty (which we would had the dumb *** government put "arresting capabilities" as opposed to "apprehension abilities" while not on duty). So my question is, does that matter when it comes to getting a department letter head to avoid having to make the fun stuff legal with bullet buttons etc. I would rather ask you people that know the law a lot better before I were to ask my Chief. Thanks in advance, greatly appreciated.
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Originally posted by TRAP55Or your ammo stash has replaced your wifes parking spot in the garage.
When my neighbor asked what all those crates were, I told him if he sees smoke coming from my garage, and me running down the street......he better catch up!Originally posted by Steve OJust go to safeway to shop for food. The young good looking couple buying healthy food...they're a new couple. The fat ones wearing ****ty clothes not caring about how they look, getting frozen food...they're married!
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Thank you for that, though it is informative, it does not mention anything about Edwards AFB (which if it matters is slightly in LA County and mostly in Kern County)Originally posted by TRAP55Or your ammo stash has replaced your wifes parking spot in the garage.
When my neighbor asked what all those crates were, I told him if he sees smoke coming from my garage, and me running down the street......he better catch up!Originally posted by Steve OJust go to safeway to shop for food. The young good looking couple buying healthy food...they're a new couple. The fat ones wearing ****ty clothes not caring about how they look, getting frozen food...they're married!
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I am civilian. I do deal with civilians due to the fact that most of Edwards is civilians. My title is "guard" though we are cops. Specifically while on duty we are LE
Last edited by devildog999; 07-09-2011, 3:43 PM.Originally posted by TRAP55Or your ammo stash has replaced your wifes parking spot in the garage.
When my neighbor asked what all those crates were, I told him if he sees smoke coming from my garage, and me running down the street......he better catch up!Originally posted by Steve OJust go to safeway to shop for food. The young good looking couple buying healthy food...they're a new couple. The fat ones wearing ****ty clothes not caring about how they look, getting frozen food...they're married!
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FWIW, a security company that I do firearms instruction for has some federal contracts for different federal agencies. Their armed guards working those contracts are in the same position. For all practical purposes, they have Fed LEO powers on duty. Off duty, nada.
If one has been issued fed LEO creditials then they are LEOs. If not, then not."Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive." - Westbrook PeglerComment
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I worked on a federal contract (DoD) as a LEO for a few years. Full federal authority on duty, no authority off. Patrol, traffic, investigations the whole gamut. Much of the authority that contract employees can exercise comes from the type of federal jurisdiction present where they are contracted / assigned to work. I am guessing the most if not all of Edwards is still exclusive federal jurisdiction so they can empower a contractor to do pretty much anything on post. Where I worked it was concurrent jurisdiction with the state, so we shared a lot with local and state authorities.
But because they are contract employees, even though they work and act as LEOs, they are wholly different from actual government employees that are LEO. The government employee LEOs get their authority in California under PC 830.8 and they are not California peace officers although they do have certain rights and privileges (PC 836 and WIC 5150 specifically noted in the statute), so my gut / opinion tells me that they would not be able to purchase / register an AW under the peace officer exemption. There is no grant of peace officer power in 830.8 for contractors that I am aware of.
The contractors, typically, are required to issue weapons to their employees. It's usually built into the specifications of the contract, along with what weapons and ammo are permissible for issue. If the contract is written with rifles allowed, they should be getting issued. I doubt seriously that the empowering authority, be it the base commander or the provost marshal, would write letters for private purchase of a RAW.
And, IMO, contractor employees would not be eligible anyway just as I think DoD employee LEOs would not either.Last edited by BigDogatPlay; 07-08-2011, 12:05 PM.-- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun
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I tend to agree. I can say with certainty that at least in the case of the Dept. of the Interior, and their various Bureaus, contractors, and even their own Civil Service security guards are not issued LEO credentials. Whereas, BLM Rangers, BOR Police, etc, are."Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive." - Westbrook PeglerComment
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And one small caveat... BLM and USFS LEO personnel are specifically excluded under 830.8 from even exercising the powers of a peace officer without written consent of the CLEO of the local jurisdiction in which they work.-- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun
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Are you an 0083 or 0085?Comment
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Even with that said, getting the letterhead signed by the chief LEO of the base might be impossible if they don't see you as a LEO and in turn will not sign a letterhead (which must have specific wording under the penalty of perjury) that you meet certain criteria (including that it will be for duty use).
The government could issue those contract employees NFA weapons for use on the job, if the job called for it.
I don't think any guard fits under LEOSA even with the new changes in law. Again i'm speaking of guards vs those with the title of "police officer".
There are many security guards who are contracted or actually employed by the federal government that hold some type of LE authority on-duty, but that does not include off duty carry or get them federal LE creds. The chance of one of them getting a legitimate signed letterhead for RAW is nil.
My opinion. YMMV.-- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun
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Its what your classification is if you are an 0083 you are a federal police officer and covered under hr218 if you are an 0085 you are a security guardComment
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