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  • Southwest Chuck
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 1942

    Project Gunrunner Whistleblower "Fired"

    Let's open another can of worms, shall we? Hopefully, Issa will, in turn, open a can himself..... a can of whoop-a*ss

    'Project Gunrunner' Whistleblower Says ATF Sent Him Termination Notice

    "The agent, Vince Cefalu, who has spoken out about the ATF's so-called "Project Gunrunner" scandal, says he was served with termination papers just last week, and he calls the move politically motivated."
    And this happens right after ATF was...
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    Last edited by Southwest Chuck; 06-28-2011, 8:58 AM.
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    NotEnufGarage
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    • Oct 2010
    • 4832

    The gift that keeps on giving!

    Many heads will roll over this. Hopefully, the top 1/3rd layers of ATF will be canned and replaced with more LAW ABIDING CITIZEN friendly personnel.

    I think a big downsizing is in order. ATF should be cut back to administration tasks related to FFL's. No more investigations, SWAT team, or prosecutors. The FBI has the personnel for that. There's no need for the Federal Government to be investigatin gun only crimes, since the labyrinth of laws related to firearms is nearly impossible to navigate without hitting on some infraction, but then, that's what the legislators and regulators want.
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    • #3
      Pred@tor
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      • Jan 2005
      • 768

      Originally posted by NotEnufGarage
      The gift that keeps on giving!

      Many heads will roll over this. Hopefully, the top 1/3rd layers of ATF will be canned and replaced with more LAW ABIDING CITIZEN friendly personnel.

      I think a big downsizing is in order. ATF should be cut back to administration tasks related to FFL's. No more investigations, SWAT team, or prosecutors. The FBI has the personnel for that. There's no need for the Federal Government to be investigatin gun only crimes, since the labyrinth of laws related to firearms is nearly impossible to navigate without hitting on some infraction, but then, that's what the legislators and regulators want.
      That might be a good compromise but they have an ugly history. atfabuse.com
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      • #4
        uyoga
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        • Sep 2010
        • 681

        I have a hunch this "fastandfuriousgate" will escalate and will reach high into the administration's coverup.

        One could only wish.
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        • #5
          Bhobbs
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          • Feb 2009
          • 11846

          Originally posted by NotEnufGarage
          The gift that keeps on giving!

          Many heads will roll over this. Hopefully, the top 1/3rd layers of ATF will be canned and replaced with more LAW ABIDING CITIZEN friendly personnel.

          I think a big downsizing is in order. ATF should be cut back to administration tasks related to FFL's. No more investigations, SWAT team, or prosecutors. The FBI has the personnel for that. There's no need for the Federal Government to be investigatin gun only crimes, since the labyrinth of laws related to firearms is nearly impossible to navigate without hitting on some infraction, but then, that's what the legislators and regulators want.
          FTFY

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          • #6
            Paul S
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 1847

            And we are surprised becasue.....?

            I know...we all expected this. Unfortunately he probably won't be the only one.
            I am not confident much will come of the whole sordid affair. I fear way too many people will believe the twisted logic of the L.A. Times and Washington Post that somehow the whole affair is the NRA's fault thus allowing this BATFE mess to be swept aside as the Obama administration promotes the next major crisis.
            Last edited by Paul S; 06-28-2011, 9:20 AM. Reason: grammar correction
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            • #7
              morfeeis
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              • Apr 2010
              • 7605

              Originally posted by Paul S
              And we are surprised becasue.....?

              I know...we all expected this. Unfortunately he probably won't be the only one.
              I am not confident much will come of the whole sordid affair. I fear way too many people will believe the twisted logic of the L.A. Times and Washington Post that somehow the whole affair is the NRA's fault thus allowing this BATFE mess to be swept aside as the Obama administration promotes the next major crisis.
              I'm shocked, you would think anyone with a brain wouldn't fire the guy, it just makes things look worse for the ATF (not sure how giving away guns could get but worse).
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              • #8
                Write Winger
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                • Oct 2009
                • 6136

                I'm still amazed the ATF didn't get disbanded after the 90's fiascos. Just goes to show, government is ever expanding.

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                • #9
                  Wernher von Browning
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                  • Mar 2011
                  • 9820

                  Originally posted by morfeeis
                  I'm shocked, you would think anyone with a brain wouldn't fire the guy, it just makes things look worse ...
                  Wait, wait, I see the problem...
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                  • #10
                    MolonLabe2008
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                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4043

                    It goes all the way to the top.

                    Impeach Obama Now!

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                    • #11
                      vantec08
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 3795

                      Originally posted by Write Winger
                      I'm still amazed the ATF didn't get disbanded after the 90's fiascos. Just goes to show, government is ever expanding.
                      Agree, Write. You know what did it the worst for me? when that female agent stomped that little kitten to death on that raid of the WRONG house.

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                      • #12
                        vantec08
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                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3795

                        dupe

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                        • #13
                          RandyD
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                          • Jan 2009
                          • 6673

                          Originally posted by MolonLabe2008
                          It goes all the way to the top.

                          Impeach Obama Now!
                          I believe Obama had knowledge of and approved of this operation, but he will be protected. I predict the Attorney General will take the fall once connections to the president are uncovered.
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                          • #14
                            RandyD
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                            • Jan 2009
                            • 6673

                            He is being fired to intimidate and coerce others to not cooperate or come forward with evidence. If we held our government accountable, no one would ever attempt such a superficial tactic.
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                            • #15
                              wjc
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                              • Dec 2009
                              • 10869

                              Originally posted by MolonLabe2008
                              It goes all the way to the top.

                              Impeach Obama Now!
                              I think Barry has earned an impeachment on his own and doesn't need any help from the ATF.

                              I predict Cefalu will make out BIG from this...
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