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  • PCPerks
    Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 117

    Luckily just an opinion piece

    Someone calling for updating the Constitution:

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch, Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. - Benjamin Franklin

    History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
    - General Dwight D. Eisenhower
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    BlindRacer
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 631

    "The structure of the Senate is even more undemocratic, with Wisconsin's six million inhabitants getting the same representation in the Senate as California's 36 million people. That's not exactly one man, one vote."

    Blatant lack of knowledge here. This is what the Senate is for. So smaller population states can still have a decent say, and not get trampled on. If you want representation per population, then you have the House. Come on people. If you don't understand something as fundamental as this, then you shouldn't be propping up the idea of revising the constitution.

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    • #3
      ipser
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 558

      Originally posted by BlindRacer
      "The structure of the Senate is even more undemocratic, with Wisconsin's six million inhabitants getting the same representation in the Senate as California's 36 million people. That's not exactly one man, one vote."

      Blatant lack of knowledge here. This is what the Senate is for. So smaller population states can still have a decent say, and not get trampled on. If you want representation per population, then you have the House. Come on people. If you don't understand something as fundamental as this, then you shouldn't be propping up the idea of revising the constitution.
      It is literally true that ""The structure of the Senate is even more undemocratic...". It is also correct that the author is an ignoramous.

      What he is ignorant about is that the US Consitution was designed to be undemocratic. Not just the senate but also federalism, the judiciary, the bill of rights. Even the procedure for amending the Constitution, itself, requires a supermajority. Even the house, itself, is a (proportional) representative body, not a true democracy in the Athenian sense of the word.

      The founders were students of history and the knew the problems that the Greeks experienced in their experiments with democracy. We cannot look to our own history to validate democracy since, by design, it is not. But looking at other countries experiences there is every reason to doubt it is the panacea that its proponents claim.

      "And we are surely the only modern nation that could be paralyzed as we were in 2000 over an election dispute because we lack a simple national electoral system."

      I guess he hasn't been keeping up on what's happening in modern Athens.
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      • #4
        FullMetalJacket
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 536

        Democracy is NOT an ideal to be pursued. Real democracies degenerate very quickly into majoritarian mobs plundering from minorities. The Founders--students of classical history--knew this well, which is why they built us a federal republic, not a democracy.

        If anything, I want the Constitution to go BACK to having the states appoint Senators so that FEDERALISM can work as it's supposed to, with the STATES having representation. I want it to be less democratic, not more.

        And, since these calls for an "updated" Constitution are OPPOSED to strengthening and stablizing our republic, I say "HELL NO" to "updating it." The Bill of Rights would probably become a Bill of Entitlements...

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        • #5
          taperxz
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2010
          • 19395

          Fareed is a sunday morning CNN show. He is an immigrant of India, he says he came here because he loves America. He, in the past has not been bad about foreign politics which is what he usually talks about.

          When i saw this on sunday morning my view changed. He immigrated from India to the US to change what is here, NOT because he loves what America is or stands for.

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