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  • rogervzv
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 2087

    BATF/Federal DOJ Conspiracy to Undermine 2d Amendment.

    I don't know if all of you have been following the Operation Gunrunner scandal. This is a scandal of the first order which ought to be a much bigger political event than Watergate ever was.

    Gunrunner has been misreported by the media as usual. What appears to have happened is this. Straw purchasers for Mexican drug cartels were buying military-style weapons in Texas gunstores, primarily AK-47s and similar weapons. Suspicious Gunstore owners properly contacted BATF, so the system worked. BATF instructed the gunstores to complete the sales. BATF assured the aghast and skeptical gunstore owners that everything was under control.

    BATF deliberately allowed the guns to cross the border into Mexico. It then naturally lost track of the guns. The guns were subsequently used in a plethora of crimes in Mexico and possibly here in America by the Mexican drug cartels.

    What happened next is the real outrage as if the above is not enough. Over time, Mexican governmental authorities have recovered some of the illegal firearms. Naturally, they can be traced back to the USA. Now, Democrats are using the fact of these sales as an excuse to call for gun sale and gun control restrictions against ordinary Americans. So understand this: the Obama Administration BATF and Department of Justice deliberately allowed and encouraged the sale of guns to Mexican criminals. It allowed these guns to get to Mexico. The guns were used in horrific crimes. The Government then seeks to use these sales, which the Government itself engineered, as a political justification to strip Americans of their rights.

    If this is not a criminal conspiracy, what is? People died, but the Government evidently thought that it was "worth it" so long as these deaths justify the Government stepping in to restrict the rights of American citizens. Tyranny can go little further.

    The lies that the Democrats tell in the context of this breaking scandal are truly breathtaking. The biggest lie is that most of the guns that the criminal Mexican drug cartels are using are American guns. This is a lie. Most of the TRACEABLE guns come from the USA. The traceable guns are a small percentage of the guns, (around 15%) and most of the guns are believed to be sourced from Central and South America--these guns are untraceable. But here is the most outrageous fact of all: MOST OF THE TRACEABLE GUNS FROM THE USA WERE GUNS BROUGHT IN PURSUANT TO OPERATION GUNRUNNER -- In other words the BATF itself is more or less the source of these weapons, since it monitored their purchase and transport to Mexico, and blocked efforts by gunstores to report and stop the purchases (and purchasers.)

    US agents have been killed with these BATF-supplied weapons. Mexican citizens have been killed with them. But this was "worth it" to the Obama Administration because the purpose of this operation was to justify stripping Americans of more of their Second Amendment rights.

    What are we going to do? What are you going to do?
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  • #2
    Lone_Gunman
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2009
    • 8396



    This is the main Gunrunner thread in 2A, I see three more on the first page of 2A right now. There is also at least one in off topic.

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    • #3
      Wernher von Browning
      Calguns Addict
      • Mar 2011
      • 9826

      Originally posted by rogervzv
      What happened next is the real outrage as if the above is not enough. Over time, Mexican governmental authorities have recovered some of the illegal firearms. Naturally, they can be traced back to the USA. Now, Democrats are using the fact of these sales as an excuse to call for gun sale and gun control restrictions against ordinary Americans. So understand this: the Obama Administration BATF and Department of Justice deliberately allowed and encouraged the sale of guns to Mexican criminals. It allowed these guns to get to Mexico. The guns were used in horrific crimes. The Government then seeks to use these sales, which the Government itself engineered, as a political justification to strip Americans of their rights.
      All correct, but all of this can be boiled down to a single sentence:
      "YOU PLANTED THOSE GUNS!!!"

      Next time there's a political debate where Party D says "Oh, golly, we need more gun control, lookit what American guns do to Mexico," the Party R response needs to be "You planted those guns!"
      sigpic Intendo ad sidera, aliquando ferio Londinium.

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      • #4
        twinfin
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 1128

        High level government ideologues in the Obama Administration want to squash the second amendment but the citizens and now even the U.S. Supreme court are against this. What to do?

        In the words of Rahm Emanuel; "You don't ever want a crisis go to waste, it's an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid." No crisis at hand? Create one!

        As this story unfolds, gun store owners and seasoned agents were yelling "stop this madness before someone gets killed" from the rooftops yet mysteriously, gun sales in the thousands were forced to go through. Why?

        The excuse offered of needing to see how gun trafficking operates is a bit hard to swallow when you really think about it. Normal law enforcement activities reveal much of what one needs to know about gun trafficking. To send Thousands of gun across the border to learn what is already known defies logic. Or was there some other purpose to this operation?

        The more that is uncovered, the more unbelievable the official explanations become. I believe we have not come to the truth yet so we must keep the pressure on.

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        • #5
          uyoga
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Sep 2010
          • 681

          Originally posted by rogervzv
          So understand this: the Obama Administration BATF and Department of Justice deliberately allowed and encouraged the sale of guns to Mexican criminals. It allowed these guns to get to Mexico. The guns were used in horrific crimes. The Government then seeks to use these sales, which the Government itself engineered, as a political justification to strip Americans of their rights.

          If this is not a criminal conspiracy, what is? People died, but the Government evidently thought that it was "worth it" so long as these deaths justify the Government stepping in to restrict the rights of American citizens. Tyranny can go little further.
          Good synopsis. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

          For me, I am spreading these news to everyone I can, whenever I can. I am also donating money to those pro Second Amendment organizations who, in my opinion, can best fight this outrage.
          sigpic Non verbis sed operis

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