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  • Decoligny
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2008
    • 10615

    Town Hall Meeting - AB 144 Antelope Valley

    Just had a co-worker hand me an article from this mornings Antelope Valley Press.

    If possible I will be attending.

    I am a little concerned that Rep Knight is suggesting that individual cities should be able to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment (see bold below)

    Town hall focus: Firearms, safety, budget

    By ALISHA SEMCHUCK
    Valley Press Staff Writer

    PALMDALE - A state Assembly fill that would restrict how Californians can carry firearms is among the topics expected to highlight a town hall meeting Thursday night arranged by Assembly Steve Knight, R-Palmdale.
    In addition to the discussion of Assembly Bill 144, the legislation that would ban the open carry of unloaded firearms, Knight will talk about public safety concerns in the Antelope Valley and budgetary woes plagueing the state.
    Antelope Valley residents will have an opportunity to express their concerns during the informal question-and-answer session from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday at the Holiday Inn, 38630 Fifth St. West.
    Knight intends to focus on what the budgetary crisis and possible passage of that firearms legislation means to California's future in general and, more specifically, how those issues impact this Valley.
    The assemblyman will likely touch on the proposed release of 30,000 prisoners state-wide, resulting from an order in May by the U.S> Supreme Court intended to reduce California's overcrowded prisons, but seen as "a hughe public safety issue," according to Sarah Tyndall, a spokeswoman for Knight.
    "Meeting with citizens of the high desert helps me to understand their concerns and to discuss issues important to our community and California," Knight stated in a news release.
    "It is a mutually beneficial event that I enjoy holding throughout my district," the assemblyman noted.
    The firearms bill is opposed by Knight.
    Knight contends that AB 144 "would make it illegal for Californians to exercise their rights under the U.S. Constitution."
    The assemblyman said Los Angeles officials should create a law that applies within the city regarding gun restrictions rather than making statewide legislation such as this bill, introduced by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-Los Angeles.

    Knight estimated that 99% of the open carry of weapons occurs among people in rural communities, not in Los Angeles.
    "There's never been an issue with open-carry, law-abiding citizens. I've talked to the police chiefs. No police report. No crime," the assemblyman said.
    Knight is also expected to discuss three Assembly bills he drafted, one which prevents properties of registered sex offenders that are single-family dwellings from being used as polling places; another which allows a member of the U.S. military to obtain a refund of tuition paid to a California university or community college if deployment forces that individual to drop classes; and the third would enable a criminal complaint to be filed within one year of the date that a hidden recording device is discovered, regardless of when a crime occurred.
    At the two-hour town hall meeting, Tyndall said, the discussion will "just be hitting the tip of the iceberg with the budget and public safety topics.
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    ddestruel
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 887

    interesting.

    So in reading of his comments he's saying that local communities should be left to regulate to a certain extent how their citizens exercise their constitutional right?. In a sense saying he approves of a format where it is OC or CC, or both as the community sees fit but the system can not remove all options. Interesting that he notes/illudes to something has to be allowed to meet the constitutional benchmark but that a blanket rule accross the state does not fit
    Last edited by ddestruel; 06-08-2011, 4:19 PM. Reason: had to add the ? to make my comments flow a little better
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    • #3
      safewaysecurity
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2010
      • 6166

      I don't think that EXACTLY what he is saying. I think he saying some thing like if you're going to violate the constitution than do it in your town and don't let people in my district fall under your stupid plans. Knight drafted a shall issue CCW bill if I remember correctly so don't bash on him for that point. If Portantino thinks it effects law enforcement in his area than that should be an issue for his area not for all of California.
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      • #4
        Decoligny
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Mar 2008
        • 10615

        I am thinking of attempting to get an opportunity to ask two questions. Not so much to point an accusing finger at Knight, but to illustrate the point that unconstitutional laws should not be acceptable at any level.

        Representative Knight

        In the Antelope Valley Press article about this meeting, you were reported to have stated that AB 144 would make it illegal for Californians to exercise their rights under the U.S. Constitution.

        It was then reported that you stated that Los Angeles should create a law that applies within the city regarding gun restrictions rather than making statewide legislation.

        I have two quick questions in regards to these reports.

        1. In the Supreme court case Heller v. DC, the Court stated that we have the right to have a functional firearm in case of confrontation. How can an unloaded firearm be considered a functional firearm in regards to exercising the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms?

        2. If making exercising a Constitutional right illegal at the State level is wrong, as in unconstitutional, how would making a law that does the exact same thing at the city level be any less unconstitutional?


        Any suggestions?
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        • #5
          Jason P
          Senior Member
          • May 2011
          • 747

          I'll be there
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          • #6
            Jason P
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 747

            I'd like to meet any Calgunners that will be attending. I don't really know many people up here after moving from Lost Angeles, it'd be nice to meet some people who aren't completely out of it

            I'll be the redneck in the mall ninja gear and tin-foil hat...

            J/K
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            • #7
              Wherryj
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Mar 2010
              • 11085

              Originally posted by Decoligny
              Just had a co-worker hand me an article from this mornings Antelope Valley Press.

              If possible I will be attending.

              I am a little concerned that Rep Knight is suggesting that individual cities should be able to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment (see bold below)

              Town hall focus: Firearms, safety, budget

              By ALISHA SEMCHUCK
              Valley Press Staff Writer

              PALMDALE - A state Assembly fill that would restrict how Californians can carry firearms is among the topics expected to highlight a town hall meeting Thursday night arranged by Assembly Steve Knight, R-Palmdale.
              In addition to the discussion of Assembly Bill 144, the legislation that would ban the open carry of unloaded firearms, Knight will talk about public safety concerns in the Antelope Valley and budgetary woes plagueing the state.
              Antelope Valley residents will have an opportunity to express their concerns during the informal question-and-answer session from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday at the Holiday Inn, 38630 Fifth St. West.
              Knight intends to focus on what the budgetary crisis and possible passage of that firearms legislation means to California's future in general and, more specifically, how those issues impact this Valley.
              The assemblyman will likely touch on the proposed release of 30,000 prisoners state-wide, resulting from an order in May by the U.S> Supreme Court intended to reduce California's overcrowded prisons, but seen as "a hughe public safety issue," according to Sarah Tyndall, a spokeswoman for Knight.
              "Meeting with citizens of the high desert helps me to understand their concerns and to discuss issues important to our community and California," Knight stated in a news release.
              "It is a mutually beneficial event that I enjoy holding throughout my district," the assemblyman noted.
              The firearms bill is opposed by Knight.
              Knight contends that AB 144 "would make it illegal for Californians to exercise their rights under the U.S. Constitution."
              The assemblyman said Los Angeles officials should create a law that applies within the city regarding gun restrictions rather than making statewide legislation such as this bill, introduced by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-Los Angeles.

              Knight estimated that 99% of the open carry of weapons occurs among people in rural communities, not in Los Angeles.
              "There's never been an issue with open-carry, law-abiding citizens. I've talked to the police chiefs. No police report. No crime," the assemblyman said.
              Knight is also expected to discuss three Assembly bills he drafted, one which prevents properties of registered sex offenders that are single-family dwellings from being used as polling places; another which allows a member of the U.S. military to obtain a refund of tuition paid to a California university or community college if deployment forces that individual to drop classes; and the third would enable a criminal complaint to be filed within one year of the date that a hidden recording device is discovered, regardless of when a crime occurred.
              At the two-hour town hall meeting, Tyndall said, the discussion will "just be hitting the tip of the iceberg with the budget and public safety topics.
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              asemchuck@avpress.com
              Knight is obviously forgetting that no one who lives outside of the major cities is worthy of any sort of consideration. You can just ask any LA/Chicago/New York/DC/SF, etc. politician.

              It's an excusable lapse.
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              • #8
                Glock22Fan
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2006
                • 5752

                A couple of questions, as I might try to attend this meeting.

                First, does one typically have to register in advance in order to speak, or is it more a question of waving your hand in the air if you have a question?

                Second, at these meetings, is there some sort of moderately discrete way for us to all identify each other? I'm kinda thinking a small badge that we would recognize but which would be unnoticed by the uninitiated.

                I have to say, I have mixed views on what he is proposing. I like the idea that the cities should not be able to push their views on the suburbs, but don't like the idea that they could preempt state law.
                John -- bitter gun owner.

                All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
                I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

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                • #9
                  Jason P
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 747

                  IANAL, but I would think a local ordinance that is supported by Federal law could/would supercede a state law that regulates federal rights. But not vice versa.

                  IOW, so I don't confuse myself otherwise; If a local/county ordinance followed the spirit of the 2nd Amendment as it was intended, that would be OKAY. Even if it interpreted the state law favorably for those of us here in the AV. However, if the local/county ordinance further restricted that right, it would not be OK.

                  Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. I wish I'd gone to law school, lord knows I'd have more cash than I do now At least on Calguns there are BS interpreters who can explain this stuff to people like me...

                  As to whether or not you have to register to speak, I can't imagine that is the case. Doesn't feel very town hall to me.

                  In regards to discrete uniforms, I'm down for Hawaiian shirts, or collegiate sports baseball caps, or neckties with cartoon characters on them. I've got a few Mickey Mouse ties I haven't worn since I started considering my career a priority
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                  • #10
                    Jason P
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 747

                    I don't have a badge, if I did I would have hi-caps and a gun in my IWB all the time
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                    • #11
                      Jason P
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 747

                      BTT. Anybody still going to this? I'll be there for sure...
                      "It's easy to be hungry when you ain't got $h!t to lose..." W. Axl Rose

                      NRA Certified Instructor
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                      • #12
                        Decoligny
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 10615

                        I am pretty sure that I will be attending.
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                        • #13
                          mej16489
                          Veteran Member
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2714

                          I want to be there - but unfortunately a work meeting is likely going to interfere.

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                          • #14
                            hill billy
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 2890

                            I'm planning on it for now.
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                            • #15
                              rogervzv
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 2087

                              Originally posted by safewaysecurity
                              I don't think that EXACTLY what he is saying. I think he saying some thing like if you're going to violate the constitution than do it in your town and don't let people in my district fall under your stupid plans. Knight drafted a shall issue CCW bill if I remember correctly so don't bash on him for that point. If Portantino thinks it effects law enforcement in his area than that should be an issue for his area not for all of California.
                              +1. Well articulated.
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