Tell me about Herman Cain

[mbuna]

Cain on Glenn Beck, last 2/3 of show:
Pretty soft, but good for some information gathering.

http://thedailybeck.com/2011/06/08/glenn-beck-tv-show-june-8-2011/

[blazeaglory]

The problem with Cain is that he is part of the system that got us here.
Most of you guys are missing the point that the FED sets financial policy. The FED is at the heart of the problem.
The money that our govt. should be issuing at ZERO interest is controlled and issued by the FED. The cost for printing a $1 bill vs a $50 or a $100 bill is the same. When it is put into circulation it is loaned out at face value plus interest.
Then when we get it in the form of loans it has an additional amount of interest tacked onto it. There are multiple layers to this issue, and to try and explain the different facets would take far too long.
This is one of the main reasons Ron Paul wants to audit the FED.
If the average American were to find out how much money the FED makes off our taxes just in interest alone every year there would be a revolution by morning.
I'm not saying someone should not be in charge of the monetary policy or money supply. I think that whoever is in charge of those things should be elected by us serve in the official govt. structure and conduct the business of our country's monetary supply with transparency and accountability.
Ask yourself this, if you were able to do anything you wanted with money and didn't have any accountability to anyone what would you do? Probably everything that they've done, right? That is exactly why we are in this financial mess.

weve been in this mess for decades. since carter and then with Reagan. the only president to ever leave the white house with some what of a negative spending was clinton in his last year and that was only by about less than 500billion. its been getting worse since the early 1980's. OBAMA inherited a crap mess and has failed to try to make it better. he has added to it just as the presidents before him.it was his time to shine and sweep things up but starting with obamacare, he has been failing. if he gets re elected, i hope he will change his policy during his 2nd term to curb spending and reign in the debt but i doubt he will. i heard a rumor that while he was in college he did a thesis on how to collapse a large government by spending it into a default and then a collapse. sounds scary huh?

and the fed DOES have accountability its called the dollar index and it is measured against i think 7 other currencies so when we print more, our dollar is devalued. our dollar index is roughly at 73 compared to the other major currencies. that is one of the many reasons why precious metals are so hot right now. were just coming out of a QE2. if you here of a QE3 coming, watch how worse things will become.

printing monopoly money is only part of the BIGGER problem. given it is a huge problem and OBAMA isnt helping any. there is no silver bullet but the way he is going about it is not the best way to handle things.

i dont know the answer but obama aint it. all i can do is vote me peace and prepare for the worst.

[Dan-0-]

So you think that the fear of dollar devaluation deters the FED from inflating the monetary supply and that equals accountability?
You are one of those people that probably think laws will keep politicians from violating your rights huh?

[Dan-0-]

In an interview a couple of weeks ago, Cain did speak to this issue when he was asked about why he opposed auditing the Fed. He said in substance, I don't oppose auditing them. Audit them all you want. It's just not a priority of mine, because you won't find anything. If they are smart enough to do all the things they are accused of doing, they are certainly smart enough to not leave the evidence laying around.

If nothing else, you have to admire his honesty.

I don't admire Cain for saying they are smart enough to cover their tracks. Even though with his experience in the FED he probably knows how things are hidden.
You might as well say we shouldn't waste our time investigating crimes because criminals are probably too smart to leave any evidence laying around.
Just because it might be tough to discover the wrong doing doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

[blazeaglory]

So you think that the fear of dollar devaluation deters the FED from inflating the monetary supply and that equals accountability?
You are one of those people that probably think laws will keep politicians from violating your rights huh?

no and no

i said accountability. what one does when one is held accountable is different from accountability. we can hold them accountable, but does that matter to them? of course not but we can force change after holding them accountable and the dollar index is a visible form of accountability.

and your second comment just came out of your *** as most of your posts seem to be doing. im not going to even bother with arguing with a person that puts words in others mouths and judges their mind and other views based on a single post in regards to accountability.

any idiot who thinks ANY laws will keep him/her safe from ANYBODY is blind and dumb. and for you to say that about me is idiotic on your part.

[dustoff31]

Just because it might be tough to discover the wrong doing doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

And as I mentioned, Cain says he has no problem with an audit. It's just not one of his priorities.

[hoffmang]

Some not so happy comments relating to the 2A for both Cain (and Johnson who I had some hope for...)

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/aaron-jossie/2012-candidates-on-gun-rights/

-Gene

[mdimeo]

A vote for a third party candidate more to my liking will be a vote for Obama. It stinks, but for now we still have a two party system with one party generally far better on 2A issues than the other.

Not if you live in California. For the forseeable future, your vote doesn't matter for president. California will go for obama, even if video arises of him having carnal relations with a trained seal on a stack of bibles inside the Lincoln memorial.

If you live in a very blue or very red state, vote your conscience. Only if you live in a close state should you feel obligated to vote for the "electable" candidate.

So feel free to vote for Ron Paul, or whomever. Just don't send him any money.

[guntrust]

There is a very good reason you can't find a track record on him. He's never held public office.

But he DOES have a track record. Here are the archives of his WND column:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=43&authorId=225&tId=8

He just doesn't have a track record on GUNS.

Which is surprising because WND has been my favorite daily read since 1997 and WND is very friendly to gun rights. In fact, a WND article is how i first heard about Front Sight originally back in 2000 (my wife and i attended the free submachine gun course).

Given his enthusiasm for the Second Amendment [SOUNDBITE]"I have six guns and it's not enough hahaha"[/SOUNDBITE], you would think he might write a little about it, given this platform? Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't see where he did in the archives.

I supported Alan Keyes in multiple elections. I would love to see a conservative black win. Key word there is conservative, and it's starts with the Second Amendment.

[br2121]

In an interview a couple of weeks ago, Cain did speak to this issue when he was asked about why he opposed auditing the Fed. He said in substance, I don't oppose auditing them. Audit them all you want. It's just not a priority of mine, because you won't find anything. If they are smart enough to do all the things they are accused of doing, they are certainly smart enough to not leave the evidence laying around.

If nothing else, you have to admire his honesty.

Not opposing an audit is a lot different than favoring one. He's a tool, a puppet, just like BO. He knows how the game is played. He knows there isn't a chance in hell of the Fed getting audited so he can answer it that way to placate the tea party. The establishment is scared to death of RP. They know RP will never get elected but he's brought a lot of issues such as the Fed to the public attention. So they have to discredit him anyway they can. Or distract with guys like Cain.

Why does the USA need to outsource it's own currency to a cabal of global bankers? Here's a thought, go and try and figure out who are the main shareholders of the Fed. It's not publicly disclosed. Why don't we have the right to know who controls the credit , interest rates and monetary supply of our country?

Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 5
[Congress shall have Power ... ] To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, ...;
Art. I Sec. 10 Cl. 1
[No State shall ...] make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; ...

[WeThePeople]

Some not so happy comments relating to the 2A for both Cain (and Johnson who I had some hope for...)

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/aaron-jossie/2012-candidates-on-gun-rights/

-Gene

According to your link, who is the strongest 2A supporter? Come on Gene. Don't be bashful. Of course, it's Ron Paul. The person you don't want to support. I'll never understand why you and Bill (but...he voted against...) bash Ron Paul.

He's for personal freedom of all types. He was in the Army. He's for small government. He's for a strong defense, but not an imperial empire involved in too many useless wars.

Yes, he's old. So's Herman Cain. Cain also admitted that 4 years ago he had Stage 4 cancer.

I've never met an independent or liberal that did not think highly of Ron Paul.

If Ron Paul were to win the Republican nomination, he would win the Presidency in the biggest landslide in American history.


But hey, you guys can keep talking about 2A-suspect candidates with their own sets of problems.

[br2121]

I'll never understand why you and Bill (but...he voted against...) bash Ron Paul.

Because they are neo-cons who support perpetual war and empire building....
They spout the constitution all day long when it comes to things they favor, but when it comes to things they don't agree with they brush RP off as a nut, call him a loser, attack him personally, etc. The idea that maybe we should mind our own business and stay out of other countries affairs seams weak to a lot of people.

RP will never have support of the far right or far left. The far left wants welfare and the far right wants more empire building. He's opposed to both. I think if he won the primary he would draw more independents from BO than republicans he would loose on the far right. We'll never know because they'll never give him the opportunity...

[WeThePeople]

Because they are neo-cons who support perpetual war and empire building....
They spout the constitution all day long when it comes to things they favor, but when it comes to things they don't agree with they brush RP off as a nut, call him a loser, attack him personally, etc. The idea that maybe we should mind our own business and stay out of other countries affairs seams weak to a lot of people.

RP will never have support of the far right or far left. The far left wants welfare and the far right wants more empire building. He's opposed to both. I think if he won the primary he would draw more independents from BO than republicans he would loose on the far right. We'll never know because they'll never give him the opportunity...

I have a lot of respect for both Gene and Bill. They've got great legal minds and they do a lot of heavy-lifting for our 2A rights in CA.

I'm just perplexed that in a 2A forum, they put down the only candidate that fully supports us.

Bill says some things over and over.

1) RP voted against the unconstitutional bill that prevents bad lawsuits against firearms makers. The law is great for our industry, but we should have fixed the court system for all manufacturers. RP votes according to the constitution. What's wrong with that?

2) RP just wants money. This is shocking! Who would think that a politician wants money?

3) RP can't win because he can't win. See circular argument.

Gene has some issues with RP as well, but they seem to be minor. The reasons given don't seem big enough to disqualify him.

Everyone has the right to vote for his/her favorite person, without getting criticism. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, nor do I expect to.


Let me know when you find the perfect candidate. He/she won't run.