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  • Coded-Dude
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2010
    • 6705

    "New Mexico High Court Rules Cops Can Seize Guns During Traffic Stops"

    sorry if this is a dupe, I search both calguns and google and found nothing.

    Go figure this one:

    Police officers in New Mexico can take guns away from drivers who pose no threat. The state supreme court ruled on May 20 that “officer safety” is more important than any constitutional rights a gun-owning motorist might have. The ruling was handed down in deciding the fate of Gregory Ketelson who was a passenger in a vehicle pulled over on November 13, 2008.

    During the stop, Hobbs Police Officer Miroslava Bleau saw a 9mm handgun on the back seat floorboard. Ketelson and the driver of the car were ordered out and away from the car while Officer Shane Blevins grabbed the gun. The officers later learned that Ketelson, as a convicted felon, could not legally possess a firearm. The court, however, only considered whether the officers acted properly in taking the gun before they had any reason to suspect Ketelson, who was entirely cooperative during the encounter, of committing a crime.

    The court ruled that the police had acted properly, agreeing with prosecutors who said "that anyone with a gun ought to be considered 'armed and dangerous' and thus the gun could be seized at any time."

    This case overturns a 2005 ruling in which the court found

    "It would be anomalous to treat the mere presence of a firearm in an automobile as supporting a reasonable suspicion that the occupants are inclined to harm an officer in the course of a routine traffic stop,” the court held in 2005.

    Whole account at the excellent site The Truth About Cars.
    source


    one step forward.....two steps back.
    x2

    Originally posted by Deadbolt
    watching this state and country operate is like watching a water park burn down. doesn't make sense.
    Originally posted by Obama
    Team 6 showed up in choppers, it was so cash. Lit his house with red dots like it had a rash. Navy SEALs dashed inside his house, left their heads spinning...then flew off in the night screaming "Duh, WINNING!"
  • #2
    Grakken
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 1095

    Just wow...
    NRA - Life Member

    Guns don't kill people. People Kill people.

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    • #3
      uyoga
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Sep 2010
      • 681

      SCOTUS, here we come!
      sigpic Non verbis sed operis

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      • #4
        Coded-Dude
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2010
        • 6705

        I was a little surprised they overturned the 05 law, especially since the "rehabilitated" felon cooperated completely and allegedly posed no real threat.
        x2

        Originally posted by Deadbolt
        watching this state and country operate is like watching a water park burn down. doesn't make sense.
        Originally posted by Obama
        Team 6 showed up in choppers, it was so cash. Lit his house with red dots like it had a rash. Navy SEALs dashed inside his house, left their heads spinning...then flew off in the night screaming "Duh, WINNING!"

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        • #5
          steelrain82
          Veteran Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 3679

          So using the courts logic we can reasonable suspect that a cop who carries a gun, baton, mace, and a tazer are dangerous threats to the people they stop. I'm all for cops being safe but that this just created a whole new class of people. Their safety is more important than someone's constitutional rights is just insane. Especially since the gun was I. The back seat. On a side note I hope the felon was arrested and put in jail

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          • #6
            scarville
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Feb 2009
            • 2325

            Be honest now. Is anyone really surprised at this?
            Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

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            • #7
              IGOTDIRT4U
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Oct 2006
              • 10861

              Originally posted by scarville
              Be honest now. Is anyone really surprised at this?
              The fact that it is New Mexico, yeah, I am.
              "Over-sentimentality, over-softness, in fact washiness and mushiness are the great dangers of this age and of this people. Unless we keep the barbarian virtue, gaining the civilized ones will be of little avail." - Theodore Roosevelt

              Would you people please stop bashing "Elmer Fudd?" After all, he was an avid sportsman, hunter, and 2a supporter. -Ed in Sac
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              • #8
                Patriot Man
                Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 343

                Unfortunately due to the renewal of the Unpatriot Act (I will never call this "The Patriot Act" due to it's absolute contradiction to the US constitution) I think we will see more of this Infringement on our rights. Lawful gun owners scare an Unlawful government. We have to put our money where our mouth is and donate- to SAF and other organizations. I think I will today.
                CGN Contributor,
                I donate Routinely to CRPA. Memberships: NRA, CRPA

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                • #9
                  QQQ
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 2243

                  Originally posted by IGOTDIRT4U
                  The fact that it is New Mexico, yeah, I am.
                  New Mexico is like the California of the Southwest. Not surprising at all.

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                  • #10
                    Coded-Dude
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 6705

                    I'm not surprised that a lower courts would completely ignore the civil rights of all to protect a certain group of people, but it still disgusts me.
                    x2

                    Originally posted by Deadbolt
                    watching this state and country operate is like watching a water park burn down. doesn't make sense.
                    Originally posted by Obama
                    Team 6 showed up in choppers, it was so cash. Lit his house with red dots like it had a rash. Navy SEALs dashed inside his house, left their heads spinning...then flew off in the night screaming "Duh, WINNING!"

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                    • #11
                      morfeeis
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 7605

                      “officer safety” is more important than any constitutional rights"
                      This worries me so much that someone in the judicial branch would ever say this in this context. guilty till proven innocent then now?
                      ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
                      Originally posted by Ayn Rand
                      You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.

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                      • #12
                        PatriotnMore
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 7068

                        The one line of officer safety is more important the Constitutional rights, clearly demonstrates the level of corruption in our judicial system, we live in interesting and dangerous times my friends. So I guess that same argument may now be applied to all rights.
                        ‎"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."
                        --James Madison
                        'Letter to Edmund Pendleton', 1792

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                        • #13
                          bob7122
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 5090

                          what happened to innocent until proven guilty, and our rights.

                          so just because i have a gun in my car i have bad intentions? WTH? are you serious gun owners in New Mexico just got classified as criminals! and What about cops as some other member posted? if they have guns are they bad ppl too.
                          Originally posted by 2761377
                          man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
                          it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
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                          "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
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                          • #14
                            PatriotnMore
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 7068

                            Originally posted by bob7122
                            what happened to innocent until proven guilty, and our rights.

                            so just because i have a gun in my car i have bad intentions? WTH? are you serious gun owners in New Mexico just got classified as criminals! and What about cops as some other member posted? if they have guns are they bad ppl too.
                            No, the courts are creating a class system society, not the equality for all, and equal in the eyes of the law we have under the constitution. Once again, another un-constitutional ruling if I've ever seen one, only this is an in your face and blatantly, a we don't care attitude.
                            ‎"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."
                            --James Madison
                            'Letter to Edmund Pendleton', 1792

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                            • #15
                              scarville
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 2325

                              Originally posted by morfeeis
                              This worries me so much that someone in the judicial branch would ever say this in this context. guilty till proven innocent then now?
                              While I agree that is an apt summary of the practical effect, the phrase was not actually used in the decision (PDF). IANAL but this looks to me like a bunch of judicial two-stroking to further defang State v Garcia.
                              Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

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