If 10/30=bad why BB=good?

[Super Chicken]

Ok,in reading Dieselpower's 10/30 Vs. long body magazine thread a lot of good points were made in regards NOT using blocked magazines. Especially if you have to use one for self defense. That was something I had not thought about and it make very good sense not to use them.

So in that same note if you accept that having and using a blocked magazine could get you a few years of free room service from the State, how are BB's a wise choice?

Let me explain what I mean. So a DA just finished showing the Jury how easy it is to change your nifty Pmag from a tame 10 rounder to a unicorn slaying 30 round device of death. Next the same DA takes maybe two minutes to swith out the BB. BAM insta AW!!

I know that some very smart people having helped defend guys from b.s. AW charges. To my humble eyes it looks like featureless is the way to go if your not too keen on lawyers fees, time away from Family, and no NFL sundays while the wheels of "Justice" turn.

Could some of the more legal minded people please enlighten me.

[Librarian]

If a DA wants to manufacture an 'assault weapon', more power to him or her.

By your fears, anything that can be done illegally is already done illegally. That's not how it works, outside the limited arena of 'constructive possession'.

[stix213]

A DA could remove the stock on almost any rifle and claim an SBR using this logic, or swapping out a monsterman grip for a pistol grip to make an AW on your featureless rifle. At some point you just have to live life.

Myself and a lot of people don't buy into the 10/30 = Bad premise by the way.

[nicki]

JUst a thought.

If the 10/30 is bad, then potentially all 10 round mags in standard sized 9mm/40s are bad too because those 10 rounds are the same length as 15 rounds.

Nicki

[NorCalDustin]

If a DA wants to manufacture an 'assault weapon', more power to him or her.

By your fears, anything that can be done illegally is already done illegally. That's not how it works, outside the limited arena of 'constructive possession'.

Yup... Let the DA go ahead an manufacture an 'Assault Weapon'...

If the 10/30 is bad, then potentially all 10 round mags in standard sized 9mm/40s are bad too because those 10 rounds are the same length as 15 rounds.

Nicki

EXACTLY... People dont realize that Glock mags (for example) are more or less 10/15 mags...

[Zimz]

I don't think they can use "what if he did this" as a legit accusation. They should only be able to judge on the configuration when it was used and accepted for evidence right?

[MasterYong]

Since when did 10/30 = bad???

I read the dieselpower thread, and I have to say I'm SIGNIFICANTLY less-than-convinced.

A DA can argue that he can turn into a chicken at will, that doesn't mean it will fly.

[CHS]

The difference is in how the PC is laid out.

In regards to large-capacity magazines, the PC actually considers a large-capacity magazine to STILL be a large-capacity magazine after it's been blocked to 10 rounds, unless that blocking is "permanent" (please don't start in with the dieselpower logic here, this is just what the PC says. Ignore all the opinions, we're just talking about PC).

So the big argument in regards to large-capacity magazines and 10rd magazines is wether or not they are permanent enough, or wether or not they are still considered large-capacity magazines. Some people believe one type of magazine is ok while others believe they are not, and some people only use native from-the-factory short-body 10rd magazines to avoid any and all confusion. None of that matters to the BB argument. None of that applies.

When it comes to the BB, we look at how the PC reads, again. It defines "capacity to accept" in a very specific way and makes no mention whatsoever of any kind of permanence. The only thing that is important is whether or not the magazine can be released from the firearm through the use of a tool, or if it can be released without a tool. (Or disassembly of the action)

With a BB installed properly, the magazine CANNOT be removed from the firearm without a tool being required (or the action disassembled). That's it. That's all that matters.

Anyone can remove the BB with some easy tools, but there is no requisite permanence in the PC for BB's.

[Super Chicken]

Thank you Gentlemen, good points were made. I appreciate the help........... now about BCM Vs. Stag..J/K J/K!!

[Uxi]

Let me explain what I mean. So a DA just finished showing the Jury how easy it is to change your nifty Pmag from a tame 10 rounder to a unicorn slaying 30 round device of death. Next the same DA takes maybe two minutes to swith out the BB. BAM insta AW!!

I'd love to be the one in court to point out that the DA just committed a couple felonies in front of dozens of witnesses.

[CHS]

I'd love to be the one in court to point out that the DA just committed a couple felonies in front of dozens of witnesses.

A DA is exempt from that during the course of his duties. Just like if he had to bring in a kilo of coke to the court as evidence in a trial, you think they're going to charge him with drug possession? No. It's legal for him to do those sorts of things to show to a jury. It's part of the scope of his job.

[Baconator]

If 10/30 magazines are so bad, why don't the police launch sting investigations and take all of them from the numerous vendors that sell them here in state? They don't hide that they sell them (like riflegear), so if it was a crime for them to be sold (if they follow the still lcm logic) wouldn't they AG be right in there?
Has anyone been convicted of AW status when using a 10/30 in a bb rifle?

Because really there are two potential crimes (maybe three if you count conspiracy) we would be looking at if 10/20s or 10/30s are illegal. The vendor would be selling high capacity magazines to someone who they aren't allowed to sell them to, and everyone who uses one in a bb rifle is in violation of ammo capacity for a fixed magazine.

[CHS]

If 10/30 magazines are so bad, why don't the police launch sting investigations and take all of them from the numerous vendors that sell them here in state? They don't hide that they sell them (like riflegear), so if it was a crime for them to be sold (if they follow the still lcm logic) wouldn't they AG be right in there?
Has anyone been convicted of AW status when using a 10/30 in a bb rifle?

Uhhh, 10/30 magazines aren't bad. The law explicitly says that a large-capacity magazine permanently altered to hold 10rds or less is legal.

PC says that 10/30's are perfectly legal. Period.

Dieselpowers debate is over what "permanent" means. Vendors like Riflegear use blocks and rivets and pins and epoxy's, etc to meet the burden of "permanence".

There's nothing there for the police to issue a sting over.

Besides, the hundreds of LEO customers of Riflegear and vendors like them would probably laugh that sting out of existence.

[Baconator]

Uhhh, 10/30 magazines aren't bad. The law explicitly says that a large-capacity magazine permanently altered to hold 10rds or less is legal.

PC says that 10/30's are perfectly legal. Period.

Dieselpowers debate is over what "permanent" means. Vendors like Riflegear use blocks and rivets and pins and epoxy's, etc to meet the burden of "permanence".

There's nothing there for the police to issue a sting over.

Besides, the hundreds of LEO customers of Riflegear and vendors like them would probably laugh that sting out of existence.

I don't think they re bad, I'm asking because of the dieselpower thread. They are basically all I use, I was making a point. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[shadowofnight]

If the 10/30 is bad, then potentially all 10 round mags in standard sized 9mm/40s are bad too because those 10 rounds are the same length as 15 rounds.

Nicki

Yup... Let the DA go ahead an manufacture an 'Assault Weapon'...



EXACTLY... People dont realize that Glock mags (for example) are more or less 10/15 mags...

Not owning a glock , how permanent are they ?

Can you disassemble a glock 10 round magazine for cleaning ?



Also, the DA wouldnt have to go so far as remove a bullet button and reinstall a standard mag release....he could just have a drawer full of bullet button magnets somewhere...take him all of 1 second to slap one on and say it was there when the firearm was presented to him.

So if a crooked DA wanted you bad enough, he wouldnt even have to use tools.