AZ campus carry bill passes house, ready for signature

[CalBear]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/07/us-arizona-guns-idUSTRE73689Y20110407

The Republican-led House voted 33 to 24 to allow firearms to be carried in the open or concealed in public rights of way, such as campus streets and roadways.

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The measure now goes to Arizona's Republican Governor Jan Brewer. She has not said if she will sign it into law but has been a strong gun-rights advocate in the past.

[Maestro Pistolero]

So all the criminals have to do is act normal until they get inside the buildings, then kill/rape/maim all the disarmed victims inside with impunity.

You understand this bill is ALLOW carry, right?

[intheknow]

So all the criminals have to do is act normal until they get inside the buildings, then kill/rape/maim all the disarmed victims inside with impunity.

uhhhh.... you mean IF they survive the wall of bullets from the others that are carrying?

[N6ATF]

You understand this bill is ALLOW carry, right?

NOT within buildings, i.e. where everybody goes.

uhhhh.... you mean IF they survive the wall of bullets from the others that are carrying?

What others? Nobody can lawfully carry in the buildings. Or to and from the buildings. So effectively, nobody but police, anywhere.

[bulgron]

This is another half-arsed AZ bill, just like banning people who don't drink alcohol, at all, ever, from carrying at restaurants that serve alcohol. Why did they compromise? It looks like a party-line vote. They should have gone all the way. They should have duplicated Utah's law.

I wish California could be as "half-arsed" as AZ.

[InGrAM]

I wish California could be as "half-arsed" as AZ.

+1.... Ohhhh the things I would do with all the freedom they have

[HondaMasterTech]

At least they are taking steps in the right direction.

[MP301]

P.S. I don't believe this is a 'perfect is the enemy of the good' situation. All these "inside certain buildings, carry is still banned" laws do is herd sheeple to a slaughter worse than if they had all been unconstitutionally disarmed outside.

If people panic evacuate, the shooter who blended in by carrying concealed outside to get unlawfully inside will blend in the exodus and move on to the next building, and those armed outside will be powerless, as they are not police and cannot stop and frisk all those running for their lives.

AZ looks like they are using the anti's playbook...but for good instead of evil. Baby steps.... I think AZ is rockin pretty good.

Also, from what i understand, there have been enough of these school shootings to get a profile on the people that do the shooting. They go where there are no guns, start shooting people until someone shows up with a gun...then they usually kill themselves.

Your scenario above could happen, but its not likely - if you go on other active shooter scenarios in a gun free zones. The shooter is whacked, expects to die, but is also a big time coward. Just the fact the people are known to carry in a given area might reduce the chances of a shooting before it ever starts. Who knows for sure?

[jl123]

AZ looks like they are using the anti's playbook...but for good instead of evil. Baby steps.... I think AZ is rockin pretty good.

Also, from what i understand, there have been enough of these school shootings to get a profile on the people that do the shooting. They go where there are no guns, start shooting people until someone shows up with a gun...then they usually kill themselves.

Your scenario above could happen, but its not likely - if you go on other active shooter scenarios in a gun free zones. The shooter is whacked, expects to die, but is also a big time coward. Just the fact the people are known to carry in a given area might reduce the chances of a shooting before it ever starts. Who knows for sure?

That's what I was thinking too. Baby steps.

[yellowfin]

"A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow." -- George S. Patton

[J.D.Allen]

All I have to say is this:

N6, you are a great 2A patriot, but take a chill pill bud. You live in a state that doesn't have half of the freedoms we enjoy here. Yes, you are right, it's still far from what the constitution prescribes, but it's one of the best sets of laws we have in this country. Come out sometime and breathe the free air. Carry 'till your heart's content. It may change your perspective a little.

[CHS]

This is another half-arsed AZ bill, just like banning people who don't drink alcohol, at all, ever, from carrying at restaurants that serve alcohol. Why did they compromise? It looks like a party-line vote. They should have gone all the way. They should have duplicated Utah's law.

GOA called, they're looking for more "no-compromise" members....

[bulgron]

Your scenario above could happen, but its not likely - if you go on other active shooter scenarios in a gun free zones. The shooter is whacked, expects to die, but is also a big time coward. Just the fact the people are known to carry in a given area might reduce the chances of a shooting before it ever starts. Who knows for sure?

The only way I can even remotely see the scenario playing out is international terrorists looking for a huge body count. (If you recall, there were some who took over a school in Russia a few years back.) However, the reality of it is that most campuses immediately go into lock down mode once a shooting occurs. This means no one is going to be wandering from building to building, massacring whole classrooms as they go. Well, all assuming the campus is efficient at implementing the lock down.

But at the end of the day, the scenario described is really REALLY unlikely. As in "Scary Hollywood Blockbuster Movie Unlikely." Could it happen? I suppose. But I'd way rather worry about getting hit by an asteroid because it's a more realistic threat.

Guns do definitely need to be allowed in the classroom, because that aspect of the law will prevent students from carrying to and from class. But, as others have noted, baby steps are required.

I wish California was even 1/10th as good on guns as is Arizona.

[Connor P Price]

But I'd way rather worry about getting hit by an asteroid because it's a more realistic threat.

We should ban those things! Think about the children!!!!

[Lost.monkey]

Good example: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/08...-nevada-woman/

I'm sure there are a TON of victims, but they probably won't come out like this woman has.