NEW PROJECT: Fixing Apparent USFS FUD - NEED HELP PLEASE

[oaklander]

Did I say that I love you?

Phone,Fax and Email for the following has already been sent.

Dept. of the Interior
	Secretary
		Deputy Secretary
			Assistant Secretary - Land and Minerals Management
				Bureau of Land Management
					Acting State Director of BLM for California
			Assistant Secretary - Fish, Wildlife and Parks
					Deputy Director for Operations
				National Park Service
					Director of the National Park Service
                                        Park Directories and Superintendents
				U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
					Office of Law Enforcement
					Professional Responsibility Unit

Working on the USFS now.

[obeygiant]

USFS Contacts for Region 5

• Angeles
• Cleveland
• Eldorado
• Inyo
• Klamath
• Lake Tahoe Basin
• Lassen
• Los Padres
• Mendocino
• Modoc
• Plumas
• San Bernardino
• Sequoia
• Shasta-Trinity
• Sierra
• Six Rivers
• Stanislaus
• Tahoe

has been sent, check your email.

[oaklander]

WINNING!

USFS Contacts for Region 5

• Angeles
• Cleveland
• Eldorado
• Inyo
• Klamath
• Lake Tahoe Basin
• Lassen
• Los Padres
• Mendocino
• Modoc
• Plumas
• San Bernardino
• Sequoia
• Shasta-Trinity
• Sierra
• Six Rivers
• Stanislaus
• Tahoe

has been sent, check your email.

[oaklander]

FOLKS!

We are getting pro-active now - please see this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=6156305#post6156305

And provide us with the confidential information we need to fix this.

[CHS]

I have a man-crush on you Oaklander

[oaklander]

It's like a love triangle at this point!!!

I have a man-crush on you Oaklander

[Fyathyrio]

Good point!

On a related note - anyone here into "off roading?" I think we may have some commonality with groups that use public lands for legal motorsports, etc. . .

My wife and I use our Jeeps to go shoot in the desert, or use our guns as an excuse to go drive through the desert. We're happy either way. There are many congruent purposes with offroaders, we want access to public lands also. My favorite place to shoot is BLM land north of I-8 and east of Anza Borrego state park, in a wash/trail that connects that desert with the park trail system. The only interaction I've had with any form of LE is the planes or helos that I suspect are Border Patrol out on routine flights...but they almost always come back for a low pass over my site. I guess I've checked out OK so far as no people have shown up yet.

I've never seen any negative reaction to my having my guns near the trail, and it can have a surprising amount of traffic on a weekend. Most offroaders I know shoot or at least support those that do. Most larger offroad forums have a specific shooting sub-section, or at least several active threads pertaining to hunting and recreational shooting. I was pointed to Calguns by an offroad forum when I asked some of my initial CA specific questions.

A few issues with offroad groups is we are somewhat fractured. For minor reasons, the different styles don't play well together at times. The largest split seems to be between street legal v. non-street legal. Also, east v. west comes into play as there is very little public land east of the Mississippi. We're also not as organized yet as the NRA or similar national gun rights groups, most are regional vice national. I can give you a few of the better ones if interested.

With the huge amounts of the people's land getting designated as wilderness that doesn't meet the original definition of wilderness, and constant bills introduced in congress to add more, shooters as well as offroaders are losing places to recreate. That's likely the best way to form an alliance if interested.

[mag360]

There are definitely opportunities for alliances on this. OHV owners are for the most part shooting friendly, from dirtbikes to 4x4's.

[emtmark]

Good point!

On a related note - anyone here into "off roading?" I think we may have some commonality with groups that use public lands for legal motorsports, etc. . .



Originally Posted by snoopy
I'd guess, if Forest Service types respond to your inquiries by taking places off limits, there would be a few Republican congressmen who would love to score NRA points by getting involved/hold hearings/etc. on how the executive branch, via the US Forest Service, was taking away gun rights on public lands.
Yes and you have just scratched the surface they closing trails and lands left and right

[Fyathyrio]

On April 15th, our own Rep, Kevin McCarthy, has proposed a bill...

To release wilderness study areas administered by the Bureau of Land Management that are not suitable for wilderness designation from continued management as defacto wilderness areas and to release inventoried roadless areas within the National Forest System that are not recommended for wilderness designation from the land use restrictions of the 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Final Rule and the 2005 State Petitions for Inventoried Roadless Area Management Final Rule, and for other purposes.

This is an area where our interests as shooters on public lands coincides with off roaders interests to access trails. While there may be possible minor conflicts of interest, we can all agree that access to OUR lands is a must. Please take a moment to write your congress critter asking for support, and to sign the petition linked below.

Full text available here.

Link to Blue Ribbon Coalition petition here.

[CHS]

On April 15th, our own Rep, Kevin McCarthy, has proposed a bill...

This is an area where our interests as shooters on public lands coincides with off roaders interests to access trails. While there may be possible minor conflicts of interest, we can all agree that access to OUR lands is a must. Please take a moment to write your congress critter asking for support, and to sign the petition linked below.

As a camper, shooter, hiker AND offroader, I am extremely pleased.

[Southwest Chuck]

As a camper, shooter, hiker AND offroader, I am extremely pleased.

I will 2nd that sentiment. This is great!

[Dutch3]

I'm not sure who runs the Oroville Clay Pits off Rabe rd, but I've seen guys harrassed there for hi-caps and 10/30's. I've seen some LEO's run serial numbers when they make contact, but only on AR's, AK's and other "AW's" that they decide to stop and ask about mags, BB's, etc. I've never had an issue, but guys on benches next to me have gone through the ringer quite a few times.

As I understand it, the Oroville clay pit range is operated by the state Department of Water Resources under license from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission as part of the "recreational use" stipulation in the license agreement covering all of the Oroville Dam and related facililties.

Although operated by DWR, the range is managed by the state Department of Fish and Game because it is located within the Oroville Wildlife Area.

[Munk]

As a camper, shooter, hiker AND offroader, I am extremely pleased.

I will 2nd that sentiment. This is great!

Absolutely

(d) Prohibition- The Secretary of Agriculture may not promulgate or issue any system-wide regulation, directive, or order that would direct management of the National Forest System lands released by subsection (a) in a manner contrary to the applicable land and resource management plan

that means, no pulling sneaky bastard closures on lands that aren't "Wilderness" as declared by congress.

I like this bill so very much. It guarantees that wilderness areas are still afforded their proper protections, and wild areas that aren't official wilderness are fair game for recreation and prospecting.