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  • #16
    Drivedabizness
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 2610

    Originally posted by ipser
    It begins with a proposed ban on the big volume ammunition magazines that added to the carnage not just in Arizona but also a long line of other mass shootings, including at Columbine High School and Virginia Tech. Even former Vice President Dick Cheney, a staunch gun rights advocate, said last week that it might be time to reinstate the magazine-size rule, which was part of the discarded assault weapons ban. That would save lives without interfering with hunters or violating any constitutional right.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/opinion/23sun1.html
    This may sound harsh...if so, sorry in advance.

    Let's do "critical thinking 101" and apply it to your post.

    You're first sentence purports to be fact, but contains lots of unsubstantiated assumption.
    Your appeal to "authority" (Cheney) is irrelevant in the context of a free people exercising a fundamental right that existed prior to, and was not granted by, rather simply enumerated, by the 2A. You can always find someone willing to throw everyone else under the bus. Also, the AW magazine rule did not ban possession - no way to know it would have had any impact at all - especially since if the guy really wanted them he could have found them illegally.

    Your last sentence is pure supposition - certainly not the unequivocal statement of fact you seem to be offering.

    Based on the above, I say "no thanks".

    Here's a thought when it comes to establishing a workable standard for what the People can keep and Bear. (I acknowledge that, according to Heller, the right is not unlimited) Do the LE folks I hire at the local level carry an arm/ accessory in the course of maintaining our "well ordered mechanism of liberty"? If they have it, criminals will also have it, therefore I should be able to get it. My right to bear arms and defend myself doesn't mean much if I can be legislated/regulated into a disadvantage. The Federalist Papers go into detail on this concept - they conclude that the People will never be more than marginally less well armed than the Army, let alone law enforcement.

    Don't get me wrong...I never really considered a 30+ round mag for my Glock. But I see no need for us to pee all over ourselves finding something we can offer back to the other side so we can demonstrate how "reasonable" we are. We should not and cannot accept the premise that the "People" (meaning anyone but felons and mentally ill - those that cannot legally own/bear arms) are really not to be trusted with the right and therefore we can take turns putting on our favorite limitations.

    This guy was known to be a head case. You want to do something that would really help? Work on a mechanism that makes sure unstable people get a review - and, if warranted, lose access to (at least legally) acquired arms. Make sure that happens even if their Mom works for the County/local law enforcement.

    Rant off
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    USMC Pistol Team Alumni - Distinguished Pistol Shot
    Owner of multiple Constitutionally protected tools

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    • #17
      Casey
      Member
      • Mar 2008
      • 288

      Why is it if a gun owner suggests these stupid restrictions that it carries more weight with the media? Even one gun owner the media hates and vilifies every opportunity they get.

      To me gun owners that promote more stupid restrictions are far more dangerous then plain old gun hating goofs. They are somehow more "expert" then non gun owners so they must of course be more credible.
      Last edited by Casey; 01-23-2011, 6:16 PM.
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      • #18
        motorhead
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 3409

        according to the conspiracy theorists, dick cheney was the evil mastermind behind 911.
        sigpic Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc

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        • #19
          uyoga
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Sep 2010
          • 681

          Do you realize that automatic weapons (machine guns) have been illegal since 1934; and that bad guys can get automatic weapons anytine they want?

          Do you realize that during "prohibition" more alcohol was consumed in the United States than ever before, perhaps since (per capita)?

          Do you realize that marihuana has been illegal for over 50 years, and yet people readily purchase and possess it?

          Do you realize that the argument of "banning" or "restricting" does not make sense, because it does not work?

          Do you realize?
          Last edited by uyoga; 01-23-2011, 8:07 PM. Reason: typo
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          • #20
            jshoebot
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 1857

            Anybody who's a "staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment," doesn't advocate for more restrictions.
            Any opinions expressed in my posts are not necessarily the opinions of any organizations in which I am a member.

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            • #21
              Mendo223
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 1536

              HAHAHAHHA.

              the gun control lobby and its left wing element has been bashing dick cheney for ages. and now they act like he is suddenly the all important republican master who will sway his masses.

              HAHA wow they are getting desperate.

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              • #22
                nicki
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 4208

                Saner Gun Laws

                I have no problems with "sensible gun laws", but I do have problems with "disarming potential victims".

                How appropriate that Cheney's first name is "Dick" because up to now the only redeeming quality he had was that he was "Pro Gun".

                Nicki

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                • #23
                  TempleKnight
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 918

                  [QUOTE=ScottB;5673857]That said, I never saw the attraction of a 30+ round magazine hanging way out the butt of a pistol. Clumsey, awkward, unbalanced. What's the point? Loughner liked 'em, but he's nuts. I'll defend your right to have stupid accessories though.

                  QUOTE]

                  It's not a stupid accessory, it's part of a legitimate sport. You need to shoot more action pistol matches to understand the attraction.
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                  • #24
                    pitchbaby
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 1332

                    I think I said it in one of Nicki's posts... if it weren't for the extended mag... the lady who grabbed it in Tucson would not have had the leverage to fight it away from the shooter. I say the bigger the better!

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