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  • ironpegasus
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 578

    Why do we insist on calling them hi-caps?

    So in light of all the talk of banning high capacity magazines following this tragic incident in Tucson, I've come to the conclusion that we are perhaps letting the anti's control the agenda aa bit too much. Almost every post in this forum that I've read on the magazine capacity debate refers to anything holding more than 10 rounds as "high-capacity".
    Those who control the language and terms often control the debate. We need to take this part of the debate back from the antis - these magazines - 30 round for an AR, 40 for an AK, 17 for any number of 9mm handguns are not, and never have been "high capacity" - these are standard issue in the majority of the 50 states and throughout the parts of the world that guns can be had. This makes them standard capacity magazines. Just because their capacity to hold a certain amount of ammunition is higher than the capacity of a 10 round magazine does not make them high capacity - it makes them standard capacity because it is the standard issue and most commonly found capacity. Why can't we instead start referring to our neutered 10 rounders as "lo-caps" - which they are. Let's take it back to the antis - let's call them on their lies - we are talking about limiting the availability of standard capacity magazines, not high capacity magazines here - let's hammer that point home. Once you do that, banning magazines of a standard capacity starts to seem a lot less reasonable.
  • #2
    Ed_in_Sac
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 962

    I don't know that it will change the tenor of the argument, but you have a good point!

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    • #3
      ChrisTKHarris
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 4203

      Standard-Caps
      Don't let the name fool you...

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      • #4
        OleCuss
        Calguns Addict
        • Jun 2009
        • 8036

        I agree with avoiding the term high-capacity magazines. Unfortunately, it is written into law so it is technically and legally appropriate to use the term.
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        • #5
          rabagley
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2008
          • 7180

          Yup. I've been calling them "standard" and "neutered" magazines. I have standard 30 round magazines (AR) down through standard 6 round magazines (G36). I also some have neutered 10/20 magazines and neutered 10 round G19/G20/G21 magazines.

          I don't agree with calling >10 rounds "high capacity".
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          • #6
            putput
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 775

            Unfortunately the State of California has defined 10+ as high capacity.

            We have to use it for now so that there is clarity for new shooters so that they understand the implications of manufacturing or importing a high cap...

            After that prohibition falls, then you can call them by their proper name of fuzzy bunny woogum oogums.
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            • #7
              ChrisTKHarris
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 4203

              High capacity magazines are SCARY.
              Don't let the name fool you...

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              • #8
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 44630

                Originally posted by putput
                Unfortunately the State of California has defined 10+ as high capacity.

                We have to use it for now so that there is clarity for new shooters so that they understand the implications of manufacturing or importing a high cap...

                After that prohibition falls, then you can call them by their proper name of fuzzy bunny woogum oogums.
                This.

                In California legal contexts, any other terminology is just confusing.

                And I will continue to point out the argument for 'standard' as the term is unhelpful, because 'standard' is weapon dependent. A 'standard' capacity magazine for a 1911 model pistol is 7 rounds - which doesn't even come close to California's 'large-capacity' definition of 11 or more.
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                • #9
                  Heatseeker
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 1883

                  I like the term "high capacity clips" even better. I've read several articles referring to "high capacity clips" this week...
                  If it ain't broke, keep fixin' it 'til it is...

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                  • #10
                    ap3572001
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 6039

                    Beretta 92FS has STD capacity of 15+1
                    Browning High Power 9mm 13+1
                    Sig P226 15+1
                    AR15 in .233/5.56 20/30

                    These are STD magazines for those weapons.
                    Anything ABOVE that is HIGH capacity. And is very seldom used or needed.

                    PS. Glock 18 has STD capacity mags of 31/33 rounds.

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                    • #11
                      todd2968
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1674

                      A rose by any other name......
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                      • #12
                        MudCamper
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 4595

                        Originally posted by ironpegasus
                        Why do we insist on calling them hi-caps?
                        Because everybody understand what you mean when you say that.

                        Originally posted by putput
                        Unfortunately the State of California has defined 10+ as high capacity.
                        Actually, that's not true. The CA PC defines them as "large-capacity magazines".

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                        • #13
                          Librarian
                          Admin and Poltergeist
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 44630

                          Originally posted by ap3572001
                          Beretta 92FS has STD capacity of 15+1
                          Browning High Power 9mm 13+1
                          Sig P226 15+1
                          AR15 in .233/5.56 20/30

                          These are STD magazines for those weapons.
                          Anything ABOVE that is HIGH capacity. And is very seldom used or needed.

                          PS. Glock 18 has STD capacity mags of 31/33 rounds.
                          My point exactly - 'standard' means different things for different weapons.

                          'large-capacity', while representing a foolish concept, is a legal term in California, with an exact definition that applies to any firearm.
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                            ap3572001
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 6039

                            As an LEO I have very little use for a drum in my issue M4. or 33 round magazines for my G17. These things may be nice to have, but I feel just fine with the STD capacity mags that were made for my guns.

                            I feel just fine about the capacity of my 1911's , Walter PPK's and Smith and Wesson revolvers.

                            How would You like someone trying to say that 6 rounds in the revolver is too much and should only be 4

                            PM. Also keep in mind that over the years, many, many people in the world who carried hanguns for protection , did just fine with a Colt Combat Commander or a Smith and Wesson 2 1/2 inch Revolver . And their 12 gauge pump shotguns and lever action rifles made them feel very safe at home or in the field.

                            While I really like many modern firearms that I own , the day when I feel unsafe and naked with my Remington 870 and Smith and Wesson 686 , I will start making plans for moving
                            Last edited by ap3572001; 01-14-2011, 1:19 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Wherryj
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 11085

                              Originally posted by ChrisTKHarris
                              High capacity magazines are SCARY.
                              My wife recently bought a Vogue that had 300 pages and nearly collapsed the table in my entryway hall. Those things are scary.
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