My Employers Anti Firearm/Weapon Policy What Can Be Done?

[xounlistedxox]

I live in Sacramento and Thanks to the hard work and dedication of Calguns and others I will be issued my CCW shortly.

I checked my Employers Policy on this issue. I don't have the exact verbage with me, but it is basically this:

Employees are not allowed to carry any weapon on their person, or even in their vehicle. They specifically name firearms, knives, and pepper spray. So simply put their policy prohibits me from being able to defend myself at all from an attacker and/or robbery attempt with necessary force(if need be). There are many times I work late at night with limited crew on hand. I am a key carrying manager, so I would be the sole person that the robbers would be dealing with to have access to the safe/money. Our company keeps extending our business hours even though there are very few customers in late at night. This is perfect for anyone wanting to come in and rob us. Last night for example between 8pm and 9pm we only had one customer come in.

We're also not in the best of neighborhoods.
Thanks In Advance

[jb7706]

You have 3 options in no particular order:
1.) Ignore the policy and accept the consequences if/when caught.
2.) Work with the employer to change the policy.
3.) Find another employer.

[domino]

I dont think much can be done for you. It is their property, their business, if it is their policy then you have to abide by it. Same thing with your house. If someone came to your home, you get to decide who can and cant be armed while in your house. (unless it is LEO)

The only thing I could suggest to you, park your car off of their property and then take the risk of your gun being stolen from your car. You could also not say anything and still carry but you have to remember that California is an "at will" state, so they can let you go for anything they want.

My company has a policy and the wording of it is :
3. Unauthorized possession of dangerous or illegal firearms, weapons or explosives on company property or while on duty.

For me I see a loophole in the companies policy that I work for, mine says "Unauthorized", having a ccw makes you authorized. So unless they change policy I think I am okay. I also work for a very small company and they dont really care all that much as they know I have been in the process, but I still dont think I will let them know I am carrying.

[maddoggie13]

Or suit your employer to provide security person 24/7 for each person...

[Gryff]

Employees are not allowed to carry any weapon on their person, or even in their vehicle. They specifically name firearms, knives, and pepper spray. So simply put their policy prohibits me from being able to defend myself at all from an attacker and/or robbery attempt with necessary force(if need be). There are many times I work late at night with limited crew on hand. I am a key carrying manager, so I would be the sole person that the robbers would be dealing with to have access to the safe/money. Our company keeps extending our business hours even though there are very few customers in late at night. This is perfect for anyone wanting to come in and rob us. Last night for example between 8pm and 9pm we only had one customer come in.

Their playground, their rules. You have no rights (and shouldn't have) to tell them that they can't make these rules. Now, there have been cases in other states regarding the rules against storing your CCW weapon in your car on company property. Some courts have upheld this, and others have rejected it. The Libertarian in me is mixed on this since it creates a potential situation where it is impossible to legally carry before or after work.

[jayboy74]

I would talk to the company and find out what can be done to change the policy , I would make an argument for why it would be a good idea to carry while at work. I would think it through and think of arguments for their arguments, If you can rebut their arguments with things that make sense you may have a chance of changing the rules. You have a good chance of having them change the rules so that you can at least keep your weapon locked in your car while at work but actually keeping it on you at work will be a hard rule to overturn. If they deny you carrying a firearm maybe you can at least get permision to carry pepper spray , Hey its better than nothing.

I have friends who carry while working and they are under the impression that ask forgiveness and not permission.

[Anti-Hero]

How would the employer know if you were carrying in your car? Or your backpack/briefcase/fanny pack/dayplanner/etc...

[OleCuss]

When I got my CCW I got permission to secure my handgun on the premises (I don't actually carry at work since I am not sure I could maintain concealment). I went to several people up several different chains to make sure it was OK despite the official policy.

Two of the three are now gone and I don't see much benefit to raising the issue with their replacements. . .

[jtmkinsd]

How would the employer know if you were carrying in your car? Or your backpack/briefcase/fanny pack/dayplanner/etc...

They wouldn't...unless something happened to expose it. If it's worth it to you, and you are willing to lose your job with no recourse, then by all means ignore the policy and carry. If you value your job and don't want to jeopordize it, then don't.

[CSACANNONEER]

Ask upper management if they will make an exception for those who are trained an "licensed" to CCW. Just remember that it is their house and their rules. You don't have to like the rules but, you should respect them. If you can not respect them, you're probably not mature enough to CCW in the first place but, since you're asking these questions, I'm pretty sure that you are mature and will respect their rules.

[G lock]

like the others stated above i would discuss it with the boss. if he disagrees hopefully he has insurance to cover it if the business gets robbed.

[Anti-Hero]

They wouldn't...unless something happened to expose it. If it's worth it to you, and you are willing to lose your job with no recourse, then by all means ignore the policy and carry. If you value your job and don't want to jeopordize it, then don't.

How can an employer persuade you to let them search your personal property? They Can't... If you chose to carry concealed on your person then yes, someone might see it.

[Merc1138]

How can an employer persuade you to let them search your personal property? They Can't... If you chose to carry concealed on your person then yes, someone might see it.

That's exactly what he was referring to. A shirt getting shifted, a bag falling over. Another employee seeing that is all it takes. Then all the employer has to say is "Well Jim said he saw a pistol in your briefcase, prove there isn't one. Can't prove it's not there? You're fired".

[domino]

I want to stress this point though:
If you speak to management and they agree to let you carried, make sure you get it in writting. If they change the policy for only you, then ask that they give you a copy of the policy change for you.

[dantodd]

submit an official request to carry on site and/or store it in your car. If you are denied do as they say, park off-site if necessary. If you are ever assaulted it will be important for the lawsuit that you document that you asked your employer for permission to protect yourself before you relied on them to do so.