what about a guard card?

[southernsnowshoe]

After deciding that concealed carry is not practical for my situation, and realizing that sheriff Gore is a worthless *****, and that I would more than likely tell one of his underlings that in an "interview" , I have settled on LOC as the perferred method for me to carry. This has its limitations to be sure. You can do it on a limited basis, and I do in the course of doing business. I have been doing a little research however, looking into the possibility of getting a security guard card and hiring myself as a security guard. As a business owner I don't know how legal this would be, I know you have to wear specific markings on your clothing as an armed guard. I just want to carry loaded, any thoughts?

[Cokebottle]

No good for every day carry. It's only good while on duty.

[southernsnowshoe]

Who's to say when a business owner is "on duty"?

[Cokebottle]

Who's to say when a business owner is "on duty"?

If your business is as a security guard, you would only be able to carry while on station under contract with a client.

You would not be able to LOC while going from home/office to station and back (except while in your office).

The guard card is not a "free ride" to LOC.

[N6ATF]

The only way to be both a business owner and a security guard simultaneously wherever you please is to have schizophrenia.

[tonb]

If you are a business owner you can already carry concealed at your place of business.

[NightOwl]

If your business is as a security guard, you would only be able to carry while on station under contract with a client.

You would not be able to LOC while going from home/office to station and back (except while in your office).

The guard card is not a "free ride" to LOC.

Incorrect. You most certainly would be able to OC to/from work as a security guard.

http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/guardgd.pdf

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SECURITY GUARD GUIDE

(5) Uniformed security guards, regularly employed and compensated in that capacity by persons engaged in any lawful business, and uniformed alarm agents employed by an alarm company operator, while actually engaged in protecting and preserving the property of their employers or on duty or en route to or from their residences or their places of employment, and security guards and alarm agents en route to or from their residences or employer-required range training. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to prohibit cities and counties from enacting ordinances requiring alarm agents to register their names. (Emphasis added)

[Mark in Eureka]

Armed Security Guards

Having a "guard card" only allows you to be a security officer while working for a Private Patrol Operator. A PPO is a licensed state contractor who may legally provide both armed and unarmed guard services to the public at large.

A "guard card" only allows you to be a unarmed security guard. You must have a "firearms qualification card" to legally carry a firearm (Loaded or otherwise) as a security guard.

Finally, if you are PPO who also has a firearms qualifcation card, you may only open carry while in an approved uniform and badge while going directly to, during your tour of duty and coming directly back from your clients job site to your residence.

About the only times a security Officer may legally carry concealed is if he/she: has a CCW, is a police officer, or is working for armored car service.

[NightOwl]

Having a "guard card" only allows you to be a security officer while working for a Private Patrol Operator. A PPO is a licensed state contractor who may legally provide both armed and unarmed guard services to the public at large.

A "guard card" only allows you to be a unarmed security guard. You must have a "firearms qualification card" to legally carry a firearm (Loaded or otherwise) as a security guard.

Finally, if you are PPO who also has a firearms qualifcation card, you may only open carry while in an approved uniform and badge while going directly to, during your tour of duty and coming directly back from your clients job site to your residence.

About the only times a security Officer may legally carry concealed is if he/she: has a CCW, is a police officer, or is working for armored car service.

I don't see "directly" in the law. I've known people who stopped off at 7-11 on their way to work and had no problems, because they were still en route, as the law dictates.

[Mark in Eureka]

The regulation say directly, "en route to or from their residences or their places of employment" do not leave any wiggle room for going to the store.

Having said that, I have never heard of any armed security officer being busted for not going directly home. I do not even think BSIS has ever sanctioned anyone for making a slight detour.

[MP301]

Some good and some bad info here. I know the answer to this question.

I Believe is Doable if done properly.

First, an armed guard needs a guard card AND a Firearms Qualification card. Your looking right in the area of $500 depending on the school including all gov fees.

Next, you can do security for a business "in house", armed or otherwise, without the involvement of a private patrol operator provided you are a W-2 employee. If your not getting a paycheck with taxes taken out of that check and you do security, you are considered acting as a PPO without a license.

The only requirements as far as uniform is 2 patches and a badge. Do not use something that closely resembles local LE.

You can LOC while working as well as to and from home, work place and the range with your uniform on.

For PPO's, if you have armed emplyees you are also required to have a million dollar insurance policy, but I'm not sure if private businesses require it.

Any other questions, PM me.

[J.D.Allen]

Does your business have a set location such as a store or office? If so I believe you can carry in any manner you want while you are there, as long as you have permission from the owner of the business. Of course if you are the owner of the business, well then there you go. I believe this is the case but if not I'm sure others will correct me with the pertinent PC cites. Just remember that you can only carry while actually inside your business, not while en route, and no going outside the business on any public streets while carrying.

[Cokebottle]

I don't see "directly" in the law. I've known people who stopped off at 7-11 on their way to work and had no problems, because they were still en route, as the law dictates.

And it's your arrest, conviction, and loss of your guard card, and at least a 10 year firearms prohibition, if a cop and a DA happen to disagree with you.

[Cokebottle]

Does your business have a set location such as a store or office? If so I believe you can carry in any manner you want while you are there, as long as you have permission from the owner of the business. Of course if you are the owner of the business, well then there you go.

That is true for anyone, guard card or not.

He's looking to the guard card as an alternative to a CCW to allow him to LOC in public.

[CSACANNONEER]

Besides to and from work, I believe an armed rent-a-cop can also LOC to and from training and ranges. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I don't see "directly" in the law. I've known people who stopped off at 7-11 on their way to work and had no problems, because they were still en route, as the law dictates.

IIRC, there have been cases where stopping at a store has caused a rent-a-cop a world of legal trouble.