Los Angeles City Advisory

[Wherryj]

Please forgive the posting if this is old news.

Attached to my bill of sale was the following message:

"WARNING: The City of Los Angeles has determined that guns in the home are much more likely to be used to kill or injure a household member than to protect against an attacker. It is safest not to keep a gun in the home. It should be kept unloaded and securely locked and ammunition should be locked separately.

Note: The City of Los Angeles mandates that this store provide the advisory printed above on each firearm bill of sale."

What is the basis of this determination? And, if that determination is unsupported by facts, how can it be made a mandatory advisory?

Considering that this is LA...Are they actually trying to say that if a gang banger tries to kick down my door during a home invasion, my gun will be more likely to shoot a member of my family than it is likely to protect me?

That's funny, I've been to the range and haven't accidentally shot myself yet. Am I just an outlier?

[Kavey]

State preemption is very narrow - see the wiki http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...Gun_Regulation

Thanks Librarian for directing me to the info on the preemption law. I had no idea it was that narrow.

Moved far away from the LA area in 1974. Still, perhaps, the smartest move I ever made!

[MikeH1]

I got one of those when I bought a revolver at Turners in Reseda a few years ago. I laughed and tossed it.

City of L.A. frowns on citizens owning their own firearms. I am a safety volunteer at a local city park and once had to go to the local maintenance yard office. One of the workers saw my "Ban Illegal Aliens not Firearms" t-shirt and told me never to wear it while at the park. I asked why and was told that it mentioned firearms.

Citizens having arms makes LAPD's job more difficult. Why do you think they are one of the last departments to get dash-cams? Other cities use the cameras to defend the officers from false complaints and such. Here they would be used to the detriment of the PD.

[SanPedroShooter]

Turners in reseda, one of the few ffls in the city. I've never seen a hand out, only a sign.

[Unbeliever]

Interesting precedent in another Federal district. New York City wanted to mandate by law their own anti-smoking ads anywhere cigarettes were sold. Cigarette shops sued in US District court. They won.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/nyregion/30smoking.html?_r=2&ref=nyregion

However, they won because of Federal Preemption. The Feds already mandate package labeling via FDA regulations. Does the BATFE regulate firearm labelling?

--Carlos V.

[crowbar]

Ordinance 178,996; Council File 07-0461

From the City of Los Angeles website:

Title
POSTING SIGN / DANGERS OF FIREARM OWNERSHIP
Subject
Motion - It is a priority of the City of Los Angeles to maintain a safe environment for its residents. The significant number of incidents involving the use of a firearm in the home is one area where public information and enforcement measures must be enhanced to better protect the public. According to the Brady Campaign, firearms kept in the home for self-protection are more often used against an acquaintance or a family member than against an intruder in self defense. A firearm kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting, a criminal assault or homicide, or an attempted or completed suicide than to be used justifiably to injure or kill in self-defense. In addition, when someone is home, a gun is used for protection in fewer than two percent of home invasion crimes. The 2005 Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Report shows there were 143 justifiable homicides committed with the use of a firearm, compared with 10,100 murders committed with a firearm. A Johns Hopkins University study found that although many citizens keep a gun in the home for protection, guns are rarely used for this purpose. This study also found that in homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost three times more likely to occur than in homes without guns. In addition, a University of Washington Department of Health Services study concluded that keeping a gun in the home locked, unloaded, storing ammunition locked, and in a separate location are each associated with a protective effect and suggest a feasible strategy to reduce these types of injuries in homes with children and teenagers where guns are stored. In 2005, Assemblymember Mark Ridley-Thomas introduced AB 944, legislation that would have required firearms dealers to conspicuously post a warning in their place of business regarding the dangers of having a gun in the home. A similar warning would have also been printed on all firearms sales contracts. The bill failed to pass although it was supported by the City of Los Angeles as well as organizations such as the Trauma Foundation and the Brady Campaign. In an effort to reduce gun-related incidents in the home, the City should enact an ordinance that mirrors the provisions contained in AB 944. A visual warning reminding customers that there is a greater likelihood of being killed or injured by a family member rather than by an intruder would bring to their attention this information and their responsibility in purchasing a firearm for home protection. THEREFORE MOVE, that the Council request the City Attorney, with the assistance of the Los Angeles Police Department, to draft an ordinance that would require firearms dealers to post, conspicuously, a warning of the dangers of possessing a firearm within their place of business and to include such a warning on firearms sales contracts.
Date Received / Introduced
02/13/2007
Last Change Date
09/26/2008
Expiration Date
09/09/2010
Reference Numbers
Police Commission Report No. BPC #08-0316
Mover
BERNARD PARKS
Second
WENDY GREUEL
JANICE HAHN
GREIG SMITH
HERB WESSON, JR.

[hoffmang]

Just ask the FFL to add another paragraph that says, "We're required to print those lies by Los Angeles that cite a discredited study to attempt to scare you into not having the necessary tools to defend your life while you wait on a response from LAPD."

-Gene

[spgripside]

Expiration Date
09/09/2010

Looks like this crap may no longer be necessary. Or follow Gene's suggestion above.