Need Clarification on STUPID CFLC code/garbage-- Please!

[DisgruntledReaper]

Hello all, I am getting into CR handguns and have found a pistol I REALLY want bad and the seller is out of state ,IS an FFL but NOT a CR FFL and this CFLC garbage is REALLY pissing me off....like meeting the girl of your dreams and there is a huge pos ogre that needs to be dealt with.
So here is my dilemma/options
1. Try to convince the seller to transfer to a CR FFl then ship it to the FFL here I deal with.

2. Try to get the FFL to enroll in the %$(^$%#*%&^!! CFLC system JUST to possibly send 1 Pistol to me--hate to complicate the deal.

**HERE is where I am having a problem... PLEASE see the cut/pasted beginning section of the CFLC section and help clarify for me...

"As of July 1, 2008, California Penal Code Section 12072(f)(1) PDF logo [PDF 30 kb / 1 pg] prohibits all Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), other than Type 03 or 06 FFLs, from shipping firearms to an FFL in California unless, prior to delivery, the FFL intending to deliver, sell or transfer the firearms obtains a verification approval number from the California Department of Justice (CADOJ) Bureau of Firearms. This includes transfers that occur at gun shows.

So--does this in fact mean that I can have a AMMUNITION FFL holder send me a CR PISTOL to an FFL here WITHOUT having to do the CFLC garbage?

If I can find a dealer here that has BOTH a regular FFL AND a CR FFL CAN the FFL send the pistol to him since he has a CR?

This is ridiculous, I am trying to get a 110 year old pistol here for my collection and i have never seen 1 come up for sale in this shape for this good a price.......I dont want to end up buying it and then can never get it....

.....now dont interpret this wrongly BUT since I have a relative in AZ where they dont have this stupid garbage...CAN/should I just have my relative buy it and then have him PPT/send it in PPT to the ffl I deal with? yea I pay for 2 shippments ,2 transfer fees and stuff but seems like it would be the 'smoothest' route to go....

I dont want to scare the seller into thinking it is a straw buy or anything..just this place is so screrwed it is ridiculous... If I didnt LOATHE the DHS and ATF (to a point) I would try to get a CR..but have now heard of nightmares with even having a CR FFL....

Thank you all and sorry this went long........I am getting the CR bug bad....

[gunsmith]

have you asked over at the C&R forum here at calguns?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=84

[dustoff31]

Hello all, I am getting into CR handguns and have found a pistol I REALLY want bad and the seller is out of state ,IS an FFL but NOT a CR FFL and this CFLC garbage is REALLY pissing me off....like meeting the girl of your dreams and there is a huge pos ogre that needs to be dealt with.

So here is my dilemma/options
1. Try to convince the seller to transfer to a CR FFl then ship it to the FFL here I deal with.

2. Try to get the FFL to enroll in the %$(^$%#*%&^!! CFLC system JUST to possibly send 1 Pistol to me--hate to complicate the deal.

From what I understand, the process to enroll is very simple. I believe it can be done online. This is probably less work than the FFL finding a CR license to transfer it to.

.....now dont interpret this wrongly BUT since I have a relative in AZ where they dont have this stupid garbage...CAN/should I just have my relative buy it and then have him PPT/send it in PPT to the ffl I deal with? yea I pay for 2 shippments ,2 transfer fees and stuff but seems like it would be the 'smoothest' route to go....

This is an option. It's not a straw purchase as the gun would go onto your relative's A&D books. He would be the purchaser and would then transfer it to an FFL in CA. You would be buying it from the CA FFL as non-residents can't do PPTs in CA.

I dont want to scare the seller into thinking it is a straw buy or anything..just this place is so screrwed it is ridiculous... If I didnt LOATHE the DHS and ATF (to a point) I would try to get a CR..but have now heard of nightmares with even having a CR FFL....

Really? I've haven't heard of any. Maybe an occasional inspector who doesn't understand the differences between an 03 and an 01 license, for instance, business hours, etc. But that's easily fixed by making a phone call and telling them to go away. Do it! Get your C&R.

[DisgruntledReaper]

Thanks so far guys..... figures I have gotten a couple out of state FFl's and PP to deal with us here but it figures the ONE pistol I REALLY want bad..and this situation comes up...argh!!

[ke6guj]

if the FFL is unwilling to do the CFLC program, see if he would be willing to send it to another out-of-state FFL who will do the CFLC paperwork as a middleman. That would probably add another $40-50 or so to the cost of the gun, but that would be the easiest way to get it done.

[Cokebottle]

This is an option. It's not a straw purchase as the gun would go onto your relative's A&D books. He would be the purchaser and would then transfer it to an FFL in CA. You would be buying it from the CA FFL as non-residents can't do PPTs in CA.

Not an option. Relative would be acting as an unlicensed dealer unless they were buying it as a gift.

Really? I've haven't heard of any. Maybe an occasional inspector who doesn't understand the differences between an 03 and an 01 license, for instance, business hours, etc. But that's easily fixed by making a phone call and telling them to go away. Do it! Get your C&R.

C&R won't help in this case anyways. All handgun purchases from out of state must still go through an 01FFL. Only long guns can be shipped direct.
Now, what the C&R would allow is for the Op to drive to AZ and purchase the gun in person and bring it home.

[dustoff31]

Not an option. Relative would be acting as an unlicensed dealer unless they were buying it as a gift.

True.

C&R won't help in this case anyways. All handgun purchases from out of state must still go through an 01FFL. Only long guns can be shipped direct.
Now, what the C&R would allow is for the Op to drive to AZ and purchase the gun in person and bring it home.

Yes, I was encouraging him to get his C&R for future use.

[Ron-Solo]

He did mention the gun was 110 years old. That may classify it as an antique firearm rather than a C&R firearm. Whole different set of rules and often no FFl is required at all.

Not my field of expertise, so anyone with more info please fell free to jump in on this.

[jtmkinsd]

He did mention the gun was 110 years old. That may classify it as an antique firearm rather than a C&R firearm. Whole different set of rules and often no FFl is required at all.

Not my field of expertise, so anyone with more info please fell free to jump in on this.

110 years old takes it back to 1900...to be an antique it must be manufactured in or before 1898...sucks, but that's the definition...it's not a "rolling" period like the 50 year rule for C&Rs. Antiques can be shipped door to door by and to anyone that isn't prohibited in CA...Outside CA it's a little more murky...because Federally, antiques aren't even classified as "firearms".

[tenpercentfirearms]

Offer the dealer an extra $20 to take the 5 minutes or less to sign up for the CFLC system. Use honey to catch the fly. Explain to him all of the extra work you are going to have to do and give your extra money to someone else for his 5 minutes of ease.

Also the CFLC only applies when other 01/07 FFLs send the gun in.