Uzi Pistol?

[dantodd]

[bwiese]

I have already purchased a receiver and shipped it to the FFL. The FFL is telling me that I can legally have the receiver transferred to me as a frame, and then register that frame as a single shot pistol before I build the gun. Then, once I receive the paperwork back from the pistol registration, I can build it as a single shot pistol, and be legal. They are unwilling to accept my parts, build it as a pistol, and DROS it to me as such.

He's officially wrong and conflicting with the DOJ memo sent out in Spring of 2006 about single shot exemptions being applicable only to complete, operable single shot pistols that are dimensionally compliant.

(Actually, he's right but he doesn't know it, it's a NeRF - but we want to avoid that for now while the Pena, etc. Roster case is running.)

I assume by 'purchased' you just meant "I ordered it from website and spent money on it but it has not been DROSed to me and is still in FFL inventory.

Do *NOT* DROS or take possession of your yet-uncontaminated pistol receiver.

Instead, have the receiver shipped to a competent FFL that has an 07 Mfg FFL who can build up the gun into a 12133PC exempt single shot and DROS it to you (and/or ship the exempt pistol to an xfer FFL near you).

... but I think of things as either legal, or not. The prosecution would have to prove beyond a
reasonable doubt that I committed a crime before it ever went to state court. Am I wrong?

You might be regarded as acquiring an unsafe handgun if you got it DROSed as a pistol receiver. And you are
not an exempt party (LEO, via PPT or intrafamily xfer, etc.)

Your criminality may in fact be shielded by the FFL committing the 'crime' if you were unknowing about it, but I'd
bet if push came to shove this whole thread could appear ;-)

Now, this would be a helpful case to perhaps actually defend/promote NeRFing if we didn't have a nicely functional
(albeit temporarily quiescent) Roster case pending.


EPU, I'm puzzled that there's a known, tried & true recipe (via single-shot exemption) being used by thousands of people
but you seem not to want to arrange the proper path.

[E Pluribus Unum]

He's officially wrong and conflicting with the DOJ memo sent out in Spring of 2006 about single shot exemptions being applicable only to complete, operable single shot pistols that are dimensionally compliant.

Where can I get a copy of that memo?

I assume by 'purchased' you just meant "I ordered it from website and spent money on it but it has not been DROSed to me and is still in FFL inventory.

That is the case. It has not been DROS'd. It is currently in transit from the manufacturer to the 07 FFL.

Do *NOT* DROS or take possession of your yet-uncontaminated pistol receiver.

Instead, have the receiver shipped to a competent FFL that has an 07 Mfg FFL who can build up the gun into a 12133PC exempt single shot and DROS it to you (and/or ship the exempt pistol to an xfer FFL near you).

There is no 07 FFL closer to Bakersfield that I have found. I was very clear in my email conversation that I want a legal UZI pistol.

Every time I involve another FFL, I burn another $50+. It is worth it to me to just complete the FFL transfer and let it sit as a stripped receiver until the Nerf can be built, or build it into a featureless rifle.

[E Pluribus Unum]

EPU, I'm puzzled that there's a known, tried & true recipe (via single-shot exemption) being used by thousands of people
but you seem not to want to arrange the proper path.

I am more than willing to do it. The issue is that the FFL I shipped it to is not willing to play ball, so what is my alternative?? None of the local FFLs in Bakersfield are willing to transfer an UZI so that means I am driving out of town twice to do the DROS and pick up the weapon. As it sits right now, that 2 time out of town drive is Fresno. If I find a 07 FFL willing to do it, now I'm talking about another $50 plus labor, and two drives farther than Fresno. It's going to end up costing me more than just buying an already assembled Uzi pistol from PRK.

I am not a man of means; what I have, I have to work hard for. This is what I have:

An Uzi pistol parts kit from a Norinco 320; I have everything but the receiver.


This is what I want:

A functional, small 9mm. Whether that be a rifle, or a pistol, is not the large issue. The good thing about the pistol is that I already have an 8 inch barrel and I wont have to buy a 16". The bad thing is, no shoulder stock. The good thing about a rifle is, a shoulder stock means for more accurate shots, but the 16 inch barrel is a PITA. So you see, either way, it's not the ideal. I would prefer the pistol and if you can think of an inexpensive way to make that happen, I would be very happy. If, however, it's going to be a PITA and cost as much as just buying one already made, then I'll just build a rifle.

[bwiese]

Where can I get a copy of that memo?

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/2006FD-06.pdf

Every time I involve another FFL, I burn another $50+.

Doing specialty things right costs a bit extra.

Curious, why did you listen to the Bako FFL instead of the good information here from a variety of sources?

It is worth it to me to just complete the FFL transfer and let it sit as a stripped receiver until the Nerf can be built, or build it into a featureless rifle.

OK, I was just trying to get you into a more useful BB-free configuration.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Doing specialty things right costs a bit extra.

I understand. The thing that ticks me off is that I contacted an FFL about buying a pistol receiver. That FFL told me which manufacturer to go to. I went to that manufacturer, ordered said receiver, and had it shipped to the FFL. The FFL is very firm in stating it can be transferred to me as a frame, and then I register it, and build it as a pistol. No one can point me to the law that makes what is being said illegal. If I had something I could go to the FFL with and say "you are wrong because of this penal code", he would likely work with me. Absent any section of law that makes it illegal, I have no teeth to coerce him to do it.

Curious, why did you listen to the Bako FFL instead of the good information here from a variety of sources?

Bako FFLs wont talk to me. They hear Uzi, I hear Click.

OK, I was just trying to get you into a more useful BB-free configuration.

I plan to either build a NeRF, or a featureless rifle with a detachable magazine.

[NSR500]

Bill is 100% spot on about sending it to an FFL07 before your DROS. That is the only way for you to have it built as a pistol. The additional cost sucks, but that's the nature of firearms ownership in California.
Otherwise, you'll have to DROS it as a longgun and build it up as a California compliant longgun.

[Kharn]

This is what I want:

A functional, small 9mm. Whether that be a rifle, or a pistol, is not the large issue. The good thing about the pistol is that I already have an 8 inch barrel and I wont have to buy a 16". The bad thing is, no shoulder stock. The good thing about a rifle is, a shoulder stock means for more accurate shots, but the 16 inch barrel is a PITA. So you see, either way, it's not the ideal. I would prefer the pistol and if you can think of an inexpensive way to make that happen, I would be very happy. If, however, it's going to be a PITA and cost as much as just buying one already made, then I'll just build a rifle.

An Uzi has never been described as "small."
Here are two of my SBRs, the Uzi's almost the same length as the AR's receiver and handguards. And if I had to guess, I'd say the Uzi weighs more than the AR.

[Ford8N]

I am more than willing to do it. The issue is that the FFL I shipped it to is not willing to play ball, so what is my alternative?? None of the local FFLs in Bakersfield are willing to transfer an UZI so that means I am driving out of town twice to do the DROS and pick up the weapon. As it sits right now, that 2 time out of town drive is Fresno. If I find a 07 FFL willing to do it, now I'm talking about another $50 plus labor, and two drives farther than Fresno. It's going to end up costing me more than just buying an already assembled Uzi pistol from PRK.

I am not a man of means; what I have, I have to work hard for. This is what I have:

An Uzi pistol parts kit from a Norinco 320; I have everything but the receiver.


This is what I want:

A functional, small 9mm. Whether that be a rifle, or a pistol, is not the large issue. The good thing about the pistol is that I already have an 8 inch barrel and I wont have to buy a 16". The bad thing is, no shoulder stock. The good thing about a rifle is, a shoulder stock means for more accurate shots, but the 16 inch barrel is a PITA. So you see, either way, it's not the ideal. I would prefer the pistol and if you can think of an inexpensive way to make that happen, I would be very happy. If, however, it's going to be a PITA and cost as much as just buying one already made, then I'll just build a rifle.

You explained it pretty well and your problem is a common one across this crappy state. My observation is that there are very few FFL's that know California gun laws, and I totally support them. The rest are not worth a ....! Good luck on your quest.

[E Pluribus Unum]

I know the federal form is the 4473, what's the California form called?

[E Pluribus Unum]

OK... I've weighed the results... and it looks like I am going California legal RIFLE.

I have a 16.2 inch barrel... and a permanent stock. I have calculated the overall length from the tip of the barrel to the tip of the stock to be 32".

I am going to purchase a grip block to go featureless... but until then, I will block my magazine to 10 rounds, and pin it into the lower so it is not detachable.

So... before I build this thing... I want to make sure I'm not an inadvertent felon.

I will have:

A 32 inch 9mm rifle with a fixed 10 round magazine, a 16.2" barrel, a fixed, non-detachable stock...

As soon as the grip block comes in that prevents one from using it like a pistol grip, I should be able to ditch the pinned mag, and use my hi-caps.


I should be GTG... yes?

[NSR500]

Looks GTG