Peterson v. LaCabe: AG Responds to Plaintiff MSJ, Files Cross-Motion MSJ

[Gray Peterson]

In all the Peruta hubbub, today the Attorney General for the State of Colorado responded to my MSJ, and filed their own Cross-Motion for Summary Judgment. There is extensive exhibits in the main docket.

I'll be posting an update with my commentary in this thread later, as this is posted real late. Needless to say, it was hilarious to read and see the major red-herrings and fallacies, but I can't quite put it into words at the moment...

Comment away....

[Theseus]

OK, so. . .

Denver can ban open carry because of population density and the chances that a bullet, if discharged, can do damage. Applying intermediate scrutiny means that they can thus ban open carry instead of simply unlawful discharge?

[Gray Peterson]

OK, so. . .

Denver can ban open carry because of population density and the chances that a bullet, if discharged, can do damage. Applying intermediate scrutiny means that they can thus ban open carry instead of simply unlawful discharge?

Yeah, stupid. We'll post more later.

[Californio]

Last Police shooting in my town 40 rounds were discharged by 4 Officers, rounds went all over the place, only three stuck the target. I really don't get the belief that an ordinary Citizen is going to do any worse or put the Public at greater risk. It was daylight with a large crowd. A CCW sure is not going to fire 40 rounds.

[Window_Seat]

I'm stumped on how he could have written this considering there are over 30 states that allow non-residents to apply, along with reciprocity.

I seriously doubt it, and I'd like to see this be verified.

Erik.

[hoffmang]

There is some fun slieght of hand in the AG's opinion. They compare Gray to the class of CO resident permit holders while intentionally ignoring the large class of non-resident permit holders who have reciprocity and can thus carry in CO.

-Gene

[nicki]

Private untrained civilians versus highly trained LEOs.

I would be curious as to what the rates of accidental shootings are between us mere civilians versus highly trained police officers.

The highest number of rounds I heard of in a self defense shooting was 15 and 10 of those hit the perp.

On the flip side I heard from a family friend years back who was a NYPD officer that they had one shooting where police officers fired 140 rounds and no hits on the perp.

This was back when they had 6 shooters and no speed loaders.

Have there been any documented negligent discharges by open carriers who were not "Cops or Security" guards anywhere in the United States.

How about CCW holders, how about non Glock carriers?

Nicki

[Gray Peterson]

There is some fun slieght of hand in the AG's opinion. They compare Gray to the class of CO resident permit holders while intentionally ignoring the large class of non-resident permit holders who have reciprocity and can thus carry in CO.

-Gene

Including residents of several states which are not even required to get a background check before being issued a permit (Alabama and Georgia had reciprocity problems because of that, but Alabama residents can carry concealed all they want in Denver on a Alabama sheriff-issued license, with no training at all).

[press1280]

Including residents of several states which are not even required to get a background check before being issued a permit (Alabama and Georgia had reciprocity problems because of that, but Alabama residents can carry concealed all they want in Denver on a Alabama sheriff-issued license, with no training at all).

He didn't even mention Gray's FL permit, which would be acceptable if Gray lived in FL. But since he doesn't, they can't keep tabs on him. Of course they can't keep tabs on anyone living in the 20 plus reciprocal states either. I'm completely baffled why they just don't get this. This case would have been moot if they had just accepted all non-res reciprocal permits(save CO residents). Idiots...........

[gunsmith]

I would be curious as to what the rates of accidental shootings are between us mere civilians versus highly trained police officers.

The highest number of rounds I heard of in a self defense shooting was 15 and 10 of those hit the perp.

On the flip side I heard from a family friend years back who was a NYPD officer that they had one shooting where police officers fired 140 rounds and no hits on the perp.

This was back when they had 6 shooters and no speed loaders.

Have there been any documented negligent discharges by open carriers who were not "Cops or Security" guards anywhere in the United States.

How about CCW holders, how about non Glock carriers?

Nicki

The Glock carriers are among the smartest and handsomest, no need to worry about them.

[Apocalypsenerd]

So is this another loss? Sounds like it from the commentary but I didn't read the decision.

[Gray Peterson]

So is this another loss? Sounds like it from the commentary but I didn't read the decision.

There's no loss. This is asking the judge for an MSJ.

[MP301]

The Glock carriers are among the smartest and handsomest, no need to worry about them.

Yeah! Second only to us Sig guys!

[Gray Peterson]

Yeah! Second only to us Sig guys!

No gun manufacturer battles in my thread.

[MP301]

No gun manufacturer battles in my thread.

Sorry Gray, we will behave....