Recall Effort for Authors of AB962

[ZNiner]

I am tired of our legislators feeling like they can do whatever they want once they get elected into office without any repercussions.

I remember not too long ago, we had a recall of Gov. Gray Davis and while I don't want to get into a discussion on the right or wrong of that event, I was thinking that maybe if we had enough it interest we could look into starting an effort to recall the main authors of AB962 in their districts.

I know everyone is as frustrated as I am with all of the bs legislation that keeps coming out restricting our law abiding activities for the sake of smoke and mirror political grandstanding. I don't claim to buy a ton of ammo off of the internet but there are certain types of ammo (match ammo) I do get exclusively off of the internet because no one stocks it. I also don't feel the need to get fingerprinted and ID'd every time I get a box or two of ammo from Walmart.

I propose we start collecting signatures for the recall of the main authors of AB962. I think it's time that we as voting block send out a message within these politicians districts showing them that there are consequences to authoring and sponsoring bills that end up costing the state money to fight in court and restricting the rights of its citizens.

To me it's not a matter of being able to successfully recall the authors of AB962 but more about showing them that there are a large enough number of voters within their districts who are willing to hold them personally accountable for the bills they author and sponsor.

What do my fellow Calgunners say? Is this something we can do?

[OleCuss]

It is something we should not do. More harm than good.

These fascists keep getting elected because they are popular with their constituents - who like what they are doing.

A recall campaign would cost time, energy, and money for those who value the RKBA and would result in a horrible/resounding loss - which would be demoralizing. It would also make us look politically stupid and incompetent which would make us less influential in Sacramento and other important venues.

Leave this one alone. Don't even think about it. Take all the energy, money, and time one might spend on a recall and devote it to CGF, CRPA, and SAF - much more productive and likely to undermine the fascists with their constituents (in the long run).

[jaymz]

Love to see it happen, but OleCuss is right - it won't happen. Doesn't matter how you present it, the truth would come out. It's about ammo. The we are cast as liars as well as gun nuts that are too lazy to go to the store and purchase our implements of destruction. There are better, more effective ways to oust politicians.

[OleCuss]

It depends on how we frame the message. Some may see it as an ammo restriction but I see it as a restriction to commerce and a burden on small business.

Not a problem. The people voting for these fascists are perfectly happy to have government burden commerce and businesses. Also, no matter how you want to frame it, the fascists and their compatriots in the press will frame it as evil gun-toting, small child eating rednecks carrying machine guns and threatening to kill their beloved legislators or at least force them out of office.

It would be a disaster at so many levels.

It is important to remember that those with whom you and I associate are not necessarily anything even approaching a representative sampling of California in general or the most leftist of districts in particular. What you and I consider reasonable a very modest exercise of our freedom is considered an outrageous affront to the sensibilities by others.

At one level or another I probably know several thousand people. I really can't go anywhere within 20 miles without a good chance of running into someone with whom I've previously talked. Heck, I've been zipping through an airport in DC and run into people I know. If one were to take that base of people I "know" and have them be the only ones voting in California - we'd have an overwhelmingly conservative legislature and all the top offices would also be held by conservatives. This state would be a liberty-loving paradise!

The fact is, however, that in every single competitive race I know about - the Democrats beat the Republicans in our last election. It is only in the "safe" districts that Republicans prevailed. This means that this state's electorate is fundamentally aligned with the principles of government control of our economy and behavior at a level which I find abhorrent.

The above paragraph really didn't do justice to the beating the Republicans took.

Look at the AG race? Kamala Harris is a cop-hating, criminal-excusing incompetent DA who nonetheless managed to beat a fairly attractive somewhat conservative DA with a large natural constituency/base (LA). He still got beat.

Meg Whitman spent hundreds of millions trying to win the governorship and got beat by Moonbeam?

In a safe Democrat district the only thing that you will get is a beating. Don't even think about it.

[androu]

Not a problem. The people voting for these fascists are perfectly happy to have government burden commerce and businesses. Also, no matter how you want to frame it, the fascists and their compatriots in the press will frame it as evil gun-toting, small child eating rednecks carrying machine guns and threatening to kill their beloved legislators or at least force them out of office.

It would be a disaster at so many levels.

It is important to remember that those with whom you and I associate are not necessarily anything even approaching a representative sampling of California in general or the most leftist of districts in particular. What you and I consider reasonable a very modest exercise of our freedom is considered an outrageous affront to the sensibilities by others.

At one level or another I probably know several thousand people. I really can't go anywhere within 20 miles without a good chance of running into someone with whom I've previously talked. Heck, I've been zipping through an airport in DC and run into people I know. If one were to take that base of people I "know" and have them be the only ones voting in California - we'd have an overwhelmingly conservative legislature and all the top offices would also be held by conservatives. This state would be a liberty-loving paradise!

The fact is, however, that in every single competitive race I know about - the Democrats beat the Republicans in our last election. It is only in the "safe" districts that Republicans prevailed. This means that this state's electorate is fundamentally aligned with the principles of government control of our economy and behavior at a level which I find abhorrent.

The above paragraph really didn't do justice to the beating the Republicans took.

Look at the AG race? Kamala Harris is a cop-hating, criminal-excusing incompetent DA who nonetheless managed to beat a fairly attractive somewhat conservative DA with a large natural constituency/base (LA). He still got beat.

Meg Whitman spent hundreds of millions trying to win the governorship and got beat by Moonbeam?

In a safe Democrat district the only thing that you will get is a beating. Don't even think about it.

Wow. This all really sad and really true. I don't think I can live in this state anymore.

[Bruce]

We just had a recall opportunity last month. November 2nd to be exact.

[chiselchst]

Politics is so tricky. I would suggest perhaps we just keep these "folks" in our sights and on our "do not vote for" list, using any other reasons to oppose them.

This crazy azz state, was the only place where the recent voting revolution did not occur. Demo's won here. The state is stupidly left...

I'm not a politico, but I have to agree that this is a sample of what the crazy Ca voters want. Maybe finding and supporting other reason to oppose these folks would be a better approach?

Hate to admit this, as I was wishing the new 2A surge would be a new wave here, but it's not happening, for the mainstream Californians...YET!

But maybe we can convince them in the courts.

FWIW.

[thrasherfox]

The last American out of kalifornia grab the American Flag.

I think that is why God put the San Andreas Fault where it is at, when the last true blooded American leaves, one big earth quake and Kalifornia floats away on its own



Btw, the above was a joke, sort of

[lgm118icbm]

Its hard to believe to us, but most people in California don't care if a lawful citizen can mail order ammo.

These representatives keep getting elected because the people ELECT them!

If the people really hated Boxer that much, they wouldn't have re-elected her in November. Sad but true.

[greasemonkey]

I'd rather see the nimrods bi***-slapped in court with the reality that they can take their power-grabbing fascist utopia elsewhere because this is how a Constitutionally limited government is supposed to work.

A recall would be an epic fail, especially with DeLeon, not that he's invincible but he's got friends in high places, you think clean self-defense shootings get bad press...just wait until the kitten-stomping, handgun slinging gun lobby gunmen try to get him out of office.

And remember, most people only got on board with recalling Davis because there were rolling blackouts and it was affecting EVERYONE in their homes...the amount of people who care about electricity in their homes is far greater than the amount of people who care about (or despise) people Keeping & Bearing.

[loather]

If the people really hated Boxer that much, they wouldn't have re-elected her in November. Sad but true.

The problem is that her opposition was worse in different ways. Fiorina's pro-gun stance was her only, and I repeat, *only* saving grace. I couldn't, in good faith, vote for either of them.

Anyways, yes, the electorate is stupid and needs to get out of this, "I must vote for a {republican,democrat}," -- the one who gets the most TV time -- mindset. But, without quality candidates to replace the god-awful ones we have in office, the stupidity will continue. It's just that simple. I, for one, am sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.

Enough of this thread-jack. Yes, DeLeon and the rest of the anti-gun legislature needs to go, but a recall is very, very unlikely to work. Keep in mind that we just had an election, and if the people *really* wanted these assclowns gone, they would have voted them out.

What we need to do is change public perspective, and we're doing it and winning. Give it a few years and I think California will be in a much better place, especially in regards to gun rights.

[loather]

And remember, most people only got on board with recalling Davis because their were rolling blackouts and it was affecting EVERYONE in their homes...

...And even that was the wrong reason: the wheels for deregulation were put into motion by Pete Wilson, and that was his brain-child. Davis got the ****-end of that stick.

[yellowfin]

From what I gather from what was told to me, voting in CA doesn't have jack squat to do with what the people want.

[OleCuss]

The other thing that might help just a little is the redistricting.

If pro-RKBA types want to really be relevant they need to organize and go work in the campaigns of those who aren't unfriendly to us.

And we should become active within our own organizations. In the last election even the new and improved CRPA was endorsing a candidate who was not very RKBA friendly over a fellow who owns handguns and is very pro-RKBA. So far as I can tell they didn't even send the pro-RKBAer a questionnaire until he effectively asked for one. Now if we were active in the CRPA we could have someone who is local and a contact for each and every candidate/district an ensure this kind of stuff doesn't occur. But as it is, if they don't have the personnel and resources we're not going to do so well.

[AndrewMendez]

California is in the crapper....and it is over run by liberals running it...but its President Bush's fault....just ask a 20 year old in the University System. The best thing you can do, is talk to your neighbors. Take them out shooting, sway them to be open minded about firearms. Can you imagine how many people we could change if every single gun owner in the Country took out just 1 person??
A few weeks back, I posted on my facebook page, that I was looking to take people out shooting, but they needed to meet certain requirements.....1.) They had to be virgin shooters 2.) They had to lean towards the left.....I got an overwhelming interest.
Now that's change we can believe in