12050 License and LOC

[CitaDeL]

This will all become moot as the UOC ban is going to sail through the legislature this year.

-Gene

Sorry for putting you on the spot, but- if the passage of legislation prohibiting the last remaining element of California open carry is 100% assured, then there is no reason to discourage the use of UOC as a political demonstration, is there?

[dantodd]

Yes, because there is other damage that using guns as speech can bring about beyond the out lawing of guns as speech.

[Untamed1972]

Just an important distinction. Before the 1/1/2010 change a 12050 license that authorized concealed also authorized loaded open carry. However, this thread is about loaded concealed while unloaded open which, if the firearm is on permit but unloaded, is probably legal behavior.

This will all become moot as the UOC ban is going to sail through the legislature this year.

-Gene

I beg to differ on small point...the title of this thread is "12050 License and LOC"

But even if a UOC ban goes thru, if substantial concealment with a permit meets the criteria of concealed then wouldn't loaded carry in an IWB holster with no cover shirt essentially be LOC?

[hoffmang]

Sorry for putting you on the spot, but- if the passage of legislation prohibiting the last remaining element of California open carry is 100% assured, then there is no reason to discourage the use of UOC as a political demonstration, is there?

Yes but I'm not sure why upping the odds of passage from 90% to 99% is a fun idea.

I beg to differ on small point...the title of this thread is "12050 License and LOC"

But even if a UOC ban goes thru, if substantial concealment with a permit meets the criteria of concealed then wouldn't loaded carry in an IWB holster with no cover shirt essentially be LOC?

Yes, however we'll see if the new bill picks up on this problem or not.

I think, however, that this is better political messaging:



I've also seen T-shirts with a silkscreen of the firearm right where you're otherwise carrying. Those would be a lot of fun...

ETA: Something more like this:


-Gene

[Librarian]

ETA: Something more like this:


-Gene

That one's $35. What we really need is these with metallic ink for the guns, to wear to airports.

[hoffmang]

What we really need is these with metallic ink for the guns, to wear to airports.

Now that is devious and I need to make it!

-Gene

[dantodd]

Or just use metallic ink to screen the 4th amendment underneath the gun.

[Librarian]

Have to admit, not original to me. Spy movie/book - one of the Bonds? - in an airport, Our Hero was trying to lose a tail, so he bought a present for the little kid accompanying her. Cut out the silhouette of a pistol from metallic paper, hid it between layers of colored tissue paper in the box with the present. Little delay for woman and child while agents see gun on x-ray but can't find it in the box. Our Hero flies away.

[J.D.Allen]

I beg to differ on small point...the title of this thread is "12050 License and LOC"

Thank you Untamed...yes I was asking about LOC not UOC, but I view the two as sort of somehow related so it's not a complete thread jack.

But even if a UOC ban goes thru, if substantial concealment with a permit meets the criteria of concealed then wouldn't loaded carry in an IWB holster with no cover shirt essentially be LOC?

Correction. I believe that case law has said that partially concealed=concealed. which would tend to mean that an IWB holster with no cover would be considered CC, and as such would comply with the terms of a CCW. But I'm sure if the sheriff gets wind of it, he'll just revoke your permit anyway.

[J.D.Allen]

This will all become moot as the UOC ban is going to sail through the legislature this year.

-Gene

Isn't this considered a good thing by some? I mean, won't it make our court battles that much easier? Because then the antis can't argue that we already have an option to carry available to us... County counsel in the PERUTA case really hammered on that point.