12050/CCW Licenses Now in AFS

[hoffmang]

There was one positive outcome of the Hutchens/OCSD mess previously. CA DOJ changed the AFS system to add a listing of whether or not one has a carry license. Now when a CA LEO checks AFS, they will see a validly issued 12050 license. It appears that all issuing agencies should forward a copy of an issued carry license and that DOJ will then place that in AFS. CGF will be getting confirmation from CA DOJ on the ubiquity of the practice.

Check out page 12/14 of the DOJ LE Division Annual Report.

Automated Firearms System Modifications
In March 2009, the BOF worked with local law enforcement to implement modifications to the Carry Concealed Weapons (CCW) entries in the Automated Firearms System (AFS). These modifications now allow the CCW expiration date, as set or modified by the issuing law enforcement agency, to be displayed in the AFS CCW record query results screen. CCW records are automatically removed from the AFS record query results screen 90 days after the CCW permit expiration date. These improvements will assist law enforcement agencies to quickly determine the status of CCW permits by providing accurate and up-to-date information.

-Gene

[Lone_Gunman]

Is this information readily available to the regular police person? Like if I'm pulled over or if they even just run my plate will they see that I have a CCW? Not that it would necessarily be a bad thing if they knew that.

From the linked doc.

The Bureau of Firearms (BOF) ensures that the state’s firearms laws are administered fairly, enforced vigorously, and understood uniformly throughout California.

Looks like they need to do some more work on that part.

Weapons Seized FY 2008-09
Assault Weapons 146
Submachine Guns 4
Machine Guns 8
Destructive Devices 4
Rifles 338
Handguns 538
Shotguns 118
TOTAL 1,156

Interesting that the evil "assault weapons" made up only around 10% of the weapons seizures. I wonder how many of those were subsequently returned because they weren't really AWs.

[SanPedroShooter]

I assume these "assualt weapons" are just regular old semi auto rifles and pistols, that the CADOJ labels as such because of SB23 and their banned by name lists? They're not talking about real FA assualt rifles, right? Edit: i just say that they countes machine guns seperate, sorry.
But still, these so called assualt weapons are still just SA rifles and pistols.

[eldonvieira]

does this mean that nevada will start honoring our permits since a check will show weather they are valid or not

[CSDGuy]

That was about the only positive outcome. Of course, Hutchens didn't revoke a lot of those CCW licenses... she just expired them early...

[Paul S]

[QUOTE=Lone_Gunman;5355937]Is this information readily available to the regular police person? Like if I'm pulled over or if they even just run my plate will they see that I have a CCW? ..........

Yes...but not as a matter of course for a check on the currency of your vehicle registration and the validity of your license. If you are checked for warrants in the local RMS system there is normally an indication that you have a CCW.
From there the dispatcher or the officer can deepen the search on the computer to ultimately come up with the CCW and the weapons authorized for the CCW.
Originally the AFS system when accessed provided information by inputting the make model and serial number of a weapon. It may have since been upgraded to respond to name and or CCW info. Perhaps a currently active LEO can answer. I'm retired and the access info is based on the way 'we did it'. But I've been retired since 'late '03 so I would not be surprised if it has changed considerably.

[nick]

I thought, per BOF, it was all up to the 58 DAs. Doesn't that run counter to their mission statement? Should they then be disbanded? Just a thought.

[AndrewMendez]

does this mean that nevada will start honoring our permits since a check will show weather they are valid or not

No. California and Nevada would need a CCW Reciprocity, which is not in place. Nobody accepts a Caifornia CCW because California does not accept any other CCW's. However, NV does allow Non residents to obtain CCW permits.

[hoffmang]

No. California and Nevada would need a CCW Reciprocity, which is not in place. Nobody accepts a Caifornia CCW because California does not accept any other CCW's. However, NV does allow Non residents to obtain CCW permits.

Not exactly true as its highly dependent on other states' reciprocity laws. As of today, a California resident permit allows you to carry in:
UT, ID, MT, SD, NE, TX, OK, MO, MI, IN, KY, TN, and of course AK, AZ, and VT.

-Gene

[AndrewMendez]

Not exactly true as its highly dependent on other states' reciprocity laws. As of today, a California resident permit allows you to carry in:
UT, ID, MT, SD, NE, TX, OK, MO, MI, IN, KY, TN, and of course AK, AZ, and VT.

-Gene

Ahhh, I stand corrected. Thanks Gene.

[Liberty1]

Not exactly true as its highly dependent on other states' reciprocity laws. As of today, a California resident permit allows you to carry in:
UT, ID, MT, SD, NE, TX, OK, MO, MI, IN, KY, TN, and of course AK, AZ, and VT.

-Gene

And PA...see page 4 http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

-Gene

[hoffmang]

And PA...see page 4 http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

I don't think so. CA doesn't provide PA reciprocity:

provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.

Hurry, non resident PA's are very easy to get and $26 but going up soon!

-Gene

[Catechol]

Not exactly true as its highly dependent on other states' reciprocity laws. As of today, a California resident permit allows you to carry in:
UT, ID, MT, SD, NE, TX, OK, MO, MI, IN, KY, TN, and of course AK, AZ, and VT.

-Gene

Just so there's no confusion, Arizona honors all other valid resident CCW permits for all persons 21+, with or without a formal reciprocity agreement with the State of Arizona.

Even though we are now a "constitutional carry" state, a CCW is needed in AZ if you wish to carry in ANY establishment which serves alcohol for consumption on premises, restaurants included.

[Quiet]

does this mean that nevada will start honoring our permits since a check will show weather they are valid or not

No. California and Nevada would need a CCW Reciprocity, which is not in place. Nobody accepts a Caifornia CCW because California does not accept any other CCW's. However, NV does allow Non residents to obtain CCW permits.

Reciprocity is not a requirement for NV to honor another state's CCW permit.

Prior to CA DOJ changing AFS to list CA CCW permit holders, there were three things that prevented the NVSCA from considering honoring the CA CCW permit.

1. Standardized CCW permit with photo ID.
2. Database listing all CA CCW permit holders.
3. NV LEOs having 24/7 access to the database listing CA CCW permit holders.

1. The standardized photo ID CCW permit card is a requirement under NV law [NRS 202.366] and for NV to honor another state's CCW permit, that state's CCW requirements must be equal to or be more stringent than what NV requires [NRS 202.3689 1(a)].
A few years ago, some CA counties started switching from the "rice paper" CCW permit to a photo ID card. However, not all CA counties have it. So until all counties start issuing a photo ID card, this requirement will prevent the CA CCW permit from being honored by NV.

2. Database listing all CA CCW permit holders is a requirement under NV law [NRS 202.3689 1(b)]. Now that CA DOJ has modified AFS to list CA CCW permit holders, this requirement has been fullfilled.

3. NV LEOs having 24/7 access to the database listing CCW permit holders to a requirement under NV law [NRS 202.3689 1(b)]. Currently, NV LEOs do not have access to CLETS/AFS. Until, CA DOJ allows NV LEOs access to CLETS/AFS, this requirement will prevent the CA CCW permit from being honored by NV.




NRS 202.3689
1. On or before July 1 of each year, the Department shall:
(a) Examine the requirements for the issuance of a permit to carry a concealed firearm in each state and determine whether the requirements of each state are substantially similar to or more stringent than the requirements set forth in NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive.
(b) Determine whether each state has an electronic database which identifies each individual who possesses a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by that state and which a law enforcement officer in this State may access at all times through a national law enforcement telecommunications system.
(c) Prepare a list of states that meet the requirements of paragraphs (a) and (b). A state must not be included in the list unless the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association agrees with the Department that the state should be included in the list.
(d) Provide a copy of the list prepared pursuant to paragraph (c) to each law enforcement agency in this State.
2. The Department shall, upon request, make the list prepared pursuant to subsection 1 available to the public.

[eldonvieira]

when I looked into it I was told that NV just needed to be able to be able to access the data base for CA ccw I was not aware of the photo ID thanks for the info