High Cost of California CCW

[goober]

lol @ whining about all the money one spent on pistols, holsters, and extra training as part of the "high cost of a CCW"....

[Gray Peterson]

Does any one know how the insurance requirement is allowed given CA PC 12054(d)?

It clearly is not, however I've learned that it's easier to explain that no liability insurance would cover an individual during a self defense shooting outside of the home, not at any price, and even if they did, they would not make the sheriff a third party liability payee (they will claim the government has immunity and therefor doesn't need the money).

And what is GC818 & GC821?

The law which prevents you from suing the DMV for issuing a drivers license to someone who runs into you on the road. This was used during Guillory v. Gates by Orange County to try to get out from under any liability payments. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against using state liability exemptions for civil rights violations under 42USC1983. Basically, the sheriff can only be sued for denying licenses, not sued for issuing. Any sheriff who tells you they will get sued and be liable for shootings is absolutely wrong and lying to you.

[santamonica9]

why is it that the L.A. Sherif Dept. is so anti-CCW? I called my city police & they said for a CCW (santa monica PD) I need to go through Sherif b/c I live in Los Angeles County & that way I wont be restricted to CCW only in santa monica city. Makes sense right. Then I look into the CCW from LASD and hold the phone I find out Chief Lee Baca is very anti-ccw unless your a celebrity like stalone or you got the extra $$ - WTF, please dont vote for that idiot to be chief - he doesnt even let off duty sherif cary until they also get a CCW

this is a sad situation in our great state, CalGuns to the rescue!!!!

[Gray Peterson]

So now we have to submit to a livescan and a psych eval in order to get a permit to exercise a constitutional right?

Livescan is a statutory requirement under PC12052. The psych evaluation is an optional add on that few counties do (in fact, I can only think of two). Remember, the 5th amendment applies here. You can walk into an evaluation and hand the shrink a form that says "I do not speak to anyone without an attorney present, I an exercising my right to remain silent" and there's not a thing. It would be a 5A violation if they fail your test over it, not even including 2A issues.

Besides, Richards and Peruta will kill the psych evaluations anyway, CGF will annihilate the "extra" requirements in state courts, and so on. We will not get a court ruling out of the 9th Circuit saying that fingerprinting and self defense good cause licensing of carry burdens RKBA. 4th Circuit on the other hand......

[AndrewMendez]

Also a side note on the Psych eval, they can only require applicants to obtain a Psych Eval, if their standard procedure for their Employees (Non sworn) also requires psych eval's.

[thebronze]

why is it that the L.A. Sherif Dept. is so anti-CCW? I called my city police & they said for a CCW (santa monica PD) I need to go through Sherif b/c I live in Los Angeles County & that way I wont be restricted to CCW only in santa monica city. Makes sense right. Then I look into the CCW from LASD and hold the phone I find out Chief Lee Baca is very anti-ccw unless your a celebrity like stalone or you got the extra $$ - WTF, please dont vote for that idiot to be chief - he doesnt even let off duty sherif cary until they also get a CCWthis is a sad situation in our great state, CalGuns to the rescue!!!!

Huh?

[madmike]

Also keep in mind when renewal time comes up, they will be forced into compliance with the 90 day/30 day rule.

I'm sure I must have just missed it, and I tried searching, but what does this mean? I know you're busy, so I apologize for asking you to re-explain yourself. Also, it can't be said enough:
Thank you VERY MUCH for all the work you are(and have been) doing on our behalf!!!

[Gray Peterson]

I'm sure I must have just missed it, and I tried searching, but what does this mean? I know you're busy, so I apologize for asking you to re-explain yourself. Also, it can't be said enough:
Thank you VERY MUCH for all the work you are(and have been) doing on our behalf!!!

The Penal Code states they have 90 days after your application is received by the sheriff, or 30 days after a livescan is done, whichever is later.....

[Glock22Fan]

why is it that the L.A. Sherif Dept. is so anti-CCW? I called my city police & they said for a CCW (santa monica PD) I need to go through Sherif b/c I live in Los Angeles County & that way I wont be restricted to CCW only in santa monica city. Makes sense right. Then I look into the CCW from LASD and hold the phone I find out Chief Lee Baca is very anti-ccw unless your a celebrity like stalone or you got the extra $$ - WTF, please dont vote for that idiot to be chief - he doesnt even let off duty sherif cary until they also get a CCW

this is a sad situation in our great state, CalGuns to the rescue!!!!

The underlined bit is FUD. A CCW is valid state wide whoever issued it unless they print limitations on it. That's possible, and maybe S.M.'s practice, but should be fightable if your Good Cause extends outside the city boundary.

And it isn't Chief Baca, it is Sheriff Baca.

[wildhawker]

I'm sure I must have just missed it, and I tried searching, but what does this mean? I know you're busy, so I apologize for asking you to re-explain yourself. Also, it can't be said enough:
Thank you VERY MUCH for all the work you are(and have been) doing on our behalf!!!

See post #5, above.

And Gray works like a madman for a state that's not even his own.

[madmike]

The Penal Code states they have 90 days after your application is received by the sheriff, or 30 days after a livescan is done, whichever is later.....

Thank you. I feel stupid now, 'cause I knew that and just didn't make the connection.

[madmike]

See post #5, above.

And Gray works like a madman for a state that's not even his own.

I've noticed. He's obviously someone to be admired and respected.

By the way, a HUGE thanks to you as well! People whose word I trust have repeatedly stated that you do the work of 10 or 12(can't remember the exact number, as if it mattered) men. You too have my admiration and respect.

[goober]

I've noticed. He's obviously someone to be admired and respected.

By the way, a HUGE thanks to you as well! People whose word I trust have repeatedly stated that you do the work of 10 or 12(can't remember the exact number, as if it mattered) men. You too have my admiration and respect.

word

[joedogboy]

Other than the training, this shouldn't cost any more than a driver's license.

After all, they have to do the same things - photo, ID card, fingerprint, criminal records check/livescan, administer a basic written safety test*, administer a basic practical safety test*, etc.

I could maybe understand an extra fee for the livescan ($25-40 is what they tend to cost when you get them for other reasons) on your initial permit, but renewals should be less than $20.


*If they even choose to conduct such tests for your CCW.

[Gray Peterson]

Other than the training, this shouldn't cost any more than a driver's license.

After all, they have to do the same things - photo, ID card, fingerprint, criminal records check/livescan, administer a basic written safety test*, administer a basic practical safety test*, etc.

I could maybe understand an extra fee for the livescan ($25-40 is what they tend to cost when you get them for other reasons) on your initial permit, but renewals should be less than $20.


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Renewal is $25 plus $52 for Livescan.