"Antioch Police Chief Says Staffing Outlook Bleak": Pro-CCW Opening?

[JimWest]

Antioch is in CoCo County, they will crumble soon.

I'd bet against that. Hyde is not pro-gun and local pd must defer to sheriff-even more anti-gun. Not sure if Simonsen got elected but he would be the only city council member that would be close to progun. CoCo county is becoming like San Francisco, you hear people talking about constitutional rights but when it comes to voting the majority demonstrates otherwise.

[Gray Peterson]

In places like Oakland, the elected officials are beholden to their gang constituents, who are directly endangered by CCW reform. They will never willingly allow CCW issuance. Chief Batts may be an ok person, but the city leadership owes some loyalty to their gang voters unfortunately.

And people wonder why we are not targeting cities?

-Gray

[harbinger007]

I received my Sacramento County-issued CCW on Saturday and carried while in Antioch the following 3 days. My need to frequently go to Antioch is one of the reasons I wanted a CCW as much as I did. Sure isn't fair to the folks that live there.

[CCWFacts]

And people wonder why we are not targeting cities?

I don't wonder. It's obvious to me. Read up on cases like Your Black Muslim Bakery, Deborah Edgerly, Uhuru House, and many other Oakland factoids and it's pretty obvious that gangs are a powerful player in Oakland's political process. They have every reason to fight CCW by any means necessary. It's awesome that counties are backing down from their illegal CCW policies without needing to sue them. The same would not happen in a gang-affiliated city like Oakland.

And there are 500+ cities to go after, but only 58 counties, and about 1/2 of the counties are already somewhat CCW-friendly.

[TMC]

There's at least half of your problem with the government there: Section 8 housing.

The city brought this on themselves by not limiting the number of Section 8 tenants. Last I heard Antioch had 90% of Contra Costa's Section 8 tenants. The city council should know,or should have known, that the costs to the city will go up because of the problems that sector of the population brings with it. If they would have limited the numbers they wouldn't be as broke as they are now, its a downward spirial.

[Gray Peterson]

The city brought this on themselves by not limiting the number of Section 8 tenants. Last I heard Antioch had 90% of Contra Costa's Section 8 tenants. The city council should know,or should have known, that the costs to the city will go up because of the problems that sector of the population brings with it. If they would have limited the numbers they wouldn't be as broke as they are now, its a downward spirial.

As Section 8 is a federal program, aren't the cities prevented by the terms of federal preemption from frustrating Section 8?

[wildhawker]

CCWfacts, that really has nothing to do with it.

[TMC]

As Section 8 is a federal program, aren't the cities prevented by the terms of federal preemption from frustrating Section 8?

I'm sure a city could limit the number of tenant occupied homes in any one area. There are lots of restrictions regarding occupancy and use in most subdivision CC&R's. If they wanted to, and cared, they could have done something.

You are right, it is a federal program with lots of fraud. That they allowed Section 8 tenants rent a 3,500 sq.ft home with a pool while they owned 3 cars and had a house keeper is just wrong. At the height of the market many people were renting huge homes with rents of $3,000+ per month to Seciotn 8 tenants and the progam was allowing it. They could have been renting more modest homes for arund $1,500 per month but the program, like most goverment progarms, wasn't watched closely.

[yellowfin]

Does anyone other than me find it ironic yet appropriate that Section 8 also means insanity?

[spddrcr]

antioch had a problem long befor they were the section 8 capitol of CCcounty. Alot of it had to do with people getting in over their heads with home loans and then walking from the houses, other investors then snatched up the houses and offered them as rental properties. blaming the problems of antioch on section 8 is kinda silly when it comes down to it, how about blaming antioch for antiochs problems?

[1JimMarch]

Guys, I don't think you understand what's going on in the heads of cops (from the top down) in the seriously messed up downs such as Richmond, Antioch, East Palo Alto, Compton, etc.

In those towns, law enforcement actively hates and distrusts the public they serve.

I am not exaggerating one bit.

When I first started getting involved in CCW reform in Richmond (Contra Costa County), I talked to several town cops. The universal reaction was that if CCW issuance became widespread, most would quit. Several that I talked to agreed on this point.

I'm not kidding here guys...they will absolutely have to be forced into CCW issuance kicking and screaming via "obvious winner" lawsuits such as just happened in Sacatomatoes.

[AndrewMendez]

I'd bet against that. Hyde is not pro-gun and local pd must defer to sheriff-even more anti-gun. Not sure if Simonsen got elected but he would be the only city council member that would be close to progun. CoCo county is becoming like San Francisco, you hear people talking about constitutional rights but when it comes to voting the majority demonstrates otherwise.

Sounds just like what people said about Sacramento County 9 months ago...

[Wild Squid]

Guys, I don't think you understand what's going on in the heads of cops (from the top down) in the seriously messed up downs such as Richmond, Antioch, East Palo Alto, Compton, etc.

In those towns, law enforcement actively hates and distrusts the public they serve.

I am not exaggerating one bit.

When I first started getting involved in CCW reform in Richmond (Contra Costa County), I talked to several town cops. The universal reaction was that if CCW issuance became widespread, most would quit. Several that I talked to agreed on this point.

I'm not kidding here guys...they will absolutely have to be forced into CCW issuance kicking and screaming via "obvious winner" lawsuits such as just happened in Sacatomatoes.

I completely agree with this ^. You can say many cops are just normal guys like the rest of us, but they are still different. They are cops. And ALL cops become cops for a reason. They want the POWER. Spare me the bull about them wanting to make a difference. While that may be true, it is NOT the reason they become cops. They become cops for the POWER! In Thailand, cops PAY money up to $15,000 to become cops. Why ? For the POWER! It is the same the world over. Cops will value this power until CCW comes into play then they will feel like they have less power. That is the absolute truth and it's not even up for discussion.

[Atomic Donut]

\When I first started getting involved in CCW reform in Richmond (Contra Costa County), I talked to several town cops. The universal reaction was that if CCW issuance became widespread, most would quit. Several that I talked to agreed on this point.

I'm not kidding here guys...they will absolutely have to be forced into CCW issuance kicking and screaming via "obvious winner" lawsuits such as just happened in Sacatomatoes.

thats great news coming from the cops!! then hopefully some jobs will open up for people like me who want to become officers to protect and serve the communities we live in, rather than just do it for the money or power.