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  • #16
    Wherryj
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2010
    • 11085

    Originally posted by Nodda Duma
    Let's hope he took the opportunity to explain the dead-document interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
    I'm unaware of the "dead-document interpretation" of which you speak. If you mean that he is against the "Living document" interpretation used by those who wish to view the Constitution as saying things that it does not say, perhaps this may enlighten.

    "What is a moderate interpretation of the text? Halfway between what it really means and what you'd like it to mean?"
    -Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice
    "Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
    I like my guns like the left likes their voters-"undocumented".

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    • #17
      DougJ
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 1812

      ^Excellent post!
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      • #18
        Fyathyrio
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 1082

        Being something of a cipher when nominated, there were only two items that I recall from her written history to attempt to interpret her opinions on the 2A, and both were negative. She penned those while working for the Clintonistas, so should we really be surprised that she wrote something that would please her boss?

        I wasn't able to watch the confirmation hearings while out here, but as I recall from summaries her only 2A statement was that she'd support precedent. Wouldn't it be truly funny to see the anti's reaction if she joins the Heller five?
        "Everything I ever learned about leadership, I learned from a Chief Petty Officer." - John McCain
        "Use your hammer, not your mouth, jackass!" - Mike Ditka
        There has never been a shortage of people eager to draw up blueprints for running other people's lives. - Thomas Sowell
        Originally posted by James Earl Jones
        The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose.

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        • #19
          bandook
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 1220

          Originally posted by NightOwl
          Interesting, thanks!

          That being said, I'm hoping to see her hanging out with Clarance Thomas next. Pleeeeeeeeease pleasepleasepleaseplease.

          Hey, I can hope, can't I?
          I don't think she's his 'type' so there's almost no chance of lewd comments from him. (Sorry, Clarence Thomas has been in the news lately for all the wrong reasons).

          But I like the handgun ammo fund Idea for SCOTUS. It'll show some of the justices that owning a handgun doesn't make you a murderer
          Last edited by bandook; 10-25-2010, 10:26 AM.

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          • #20
            yellowfin
            Calguns Addict
            • Nov 2007
            • 8371

            Allowing judges to rewrite the Constitution is abhorrent and removes the checks and balances upon our government.
            And is exactly what they did for the entirety of the 1930's and 40's.
            "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
            Originally posted by indiandave
            In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
            Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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            • #21
              jl123
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 4921

              Originally posted by yellowfin
              And is exactly what they did for the entirety of the 1930's and 40's.
              Roosevelt strong-armed the court......threatened to add justices to get what he wanted done anyway.
              Originally posted by jshoebot
              This thread wouldn't have happened if they sold drugs in vending machines.

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              • #22
                Maestro Pistolero
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 3897

                Wouldn't it just be the most wonderful surprise if Kagan were to come down on the right side of things?
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                The Second Amendment is the one right that is so fundamental that the inability to exercise it, should the need arise, would render all other rights null and void. Dead people have no rights.
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                • #23
                  jccam
                  Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 115

                  Originally posted by VegasND
                  Let me know when he takes her pistol shooting or to an NFA shoot.


                  Liberals seem to be able to compartmentalize their need to outlaw guns -- somehow shotguns are okay. .
                  Yes, I have noticed this to be true on many occasions, but pro-2A people should use this to advantage. The biggest hurdle in converting an anti-gun person is to get them to the range, help them participate in the discipline and challenge of hitting targets, and realize that the gun itself is not some inherently evil thing. This is a huge step, and a relatively innocuous session of trap shooting seems to accomplish this far better than leaving copies of Soldier of Fortune on their coffee table.

                  Seems like Scalia is doing exactly what I have done many times with newbies or borderline antis. It works! Realize that you may never convert someone completely, but if you move them from being an anti to being neutral or at least fair-minded, that is very worthwhile.

                  ---
                  As a side note, I mentioned the good work of Calguns to some guys at my local trap & skeet range. Response was "Oh yeah, I've heard of Calguns. They're mostly into Glocks and ARs, right?" Ouch!

                  We gotta hang together fellas! And this includes the NRA behaving with basic courtesy to SAF. Egos and in-fighting will do us in.

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                  • #24
                    Dr Rockso
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 3701

                    Originally posted by Maestro Pistolero
                    Wouldn't it just be the most wonderful surprise if Kagan were to come down on the right side of things?
                    I'm hoping she goes full gun nut, myself. In a year she could be posting pics of her 15 pound tacticooled AR on arfcom and opining on her favorite parts of Unintended Consequences.

                    Hey, it could happen

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                    • #25
                      IrishPirate
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6390

                      Originally posted by Wherryj
                      I'm unaware of the "dead-document interpretation" of which you speak. If you mean that he is against the "Living document" interpretation used by those who wish to view the Constitution as saying things that it does not say, perhaps this may enlighten.

                      couldn't have said this any better......bravo!!
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                      • #26
                        dantodd
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 9360

                        Shooting skeet with Scalia or an LCAV conference call with Stevens. I know which I'd prefer Kagan spend her time doing.
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                        • #27
                          Neil McCauley
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 13676

                          I could imagine him constantly yelling "TRIGGER DISCILIPINE!!" at her. Anyone slow mo vids of her shooting full auto?
                          A guy told me one time "don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat from around the corner"
                          Robert Deniro

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                          • #28
                            Window_Seat
                            Veteran Member
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 3533

                            In the words of another member here (don't know who said it), if the SCJ is a black lesbian atheist raised in MA, lives in TX, but she/he (I had a teacher named Shehe once) can count without missing the #2, she/he is alright in my book. If this turns Kagen around (not saying she is any of the above ), I just might invite her to Reed's and pay her way for a lesson with Rick.

                            Erik.

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                            • #29
                              nicki
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 4208

                              Former anti gunners

                              Overall I have found that people who are anti gun can be flipped over to our side because if they are sincere people, once they find out that their believes are based on ignorance and lies, they are open to change.

                              Kagan grew up in NYC and she has been in urban anti gun areas her whole life. If she is intellectually honest and if in her mind she really supports the constitution, she just may come around and pleasantly surprise us.

                              I am not a Kagan fan, but perhaps she may flip our way. She will never be a conservative, but perhaps she will evolve and move toward Libertarianism.

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                              • #30
                                Havoc70
                                CGSSA Leader
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 798

                                I still think part of the oath of becoming a Supreme Court Justice should be "I hereby renounce all influences of any political party that I may belong to and solemnly swear to adjudicate solely based upon the Constitution of the United States". Granted, it may be only lip service, but at least it would be something.
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