Muzzleloader in gun rack within 1000' of a school?

[FXR]

Hi all, I'm thinking about throwing an old wall hanger muzzleloading shotgun in the gun rack in my truck just to put guns back into the local collective consciousness. Would a muzzleloader still have to be in a locked container when driving within 1000 feet of a school?

Also, I sometimes drive on the publicly accessible roads running through the UCSB campus. Is a muzzleloader a problem here?

[N6ATF]

If it is illegal, I wonder if putting a 3Dish realistic decal in your window would achieve the same result.

[Librarian]

Hi all, I'm thinking about throwing an old wall hanger muzzleloading shotgun in the gun rack in my truck just to put guns back into the local collective consciousness. Would a muzzleloader still have to be in a locked container when driving within 1000 feet of a school?

Also, I sometimes drive on the publicly accessible roads running through the UCSB campus. Is a muzzleloader a problem here?

Muzzleloaders are still firearms.

For compliance with the Federal GFSZ, locking it into the rack would be fine. Doesn't have to be in a container/case.

But on campus is a kettle of fish of a different color. I don't know UCSB, but something like a major street running through campus should be OK (perhaps the school grew to be on both sides, or some such thing), so long as you don't stop/park.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Muzzleloaders are still firearms...

Muzzle loaders are not firearms under the Federal Gun Free Schools Act.

Muzzle loaders are firearms under California law, but doesn't the California gun free school law exclude long guns? At least the K-12 section???

[Librarian]

Muzzle loaders are not firearms under the Federal Gun Free Schools Act.

Muzzle loaders are firearms under California law, but doesn't the California gun free school law exclude long guns? At least the K-12 section???

Oi!

I begin to hate the GFSZ. (It was, before, a significant annoyance and IMVHO likely an unconstitutional exercise of the Commerce Clause by the Congress, and totally useless at either level - I mean, what's not to like?)

CA's GFSZ does exclude long guns from regulation in the 1000 foot zone (which is K-12 only), but not from regulation on the property/grounds (which is all levels).

Shouldn't we give our LEOs something better to worry about?

[neuron]

Muzzleloaders are still firearms.

For compliance with the Federal GFSZ, locking it into the rack would be fine. Doesn't have to be in a container/case...

It is a firearm, but as a long gun it is not "concealable," so keeping it unloaded (for antique arms this means different things) and "locked" should be OK. But...IANAL.

[thevic]

I thought the gun has to be in a locked container and a trigger lock or rack is not considered a locked container....

[jshoebot]

The GFSZ only applies to "firearms capable of being concealed upon the person." That means any firearm with a barrel less than 16", not long guns. So your muzzleloader doesn't need to be locked or in a case or anything like that. It just can't be loaded, and it can't be on school grounds (K-12). Not sure how it works with colleges and public roads though.

[jtmkinsd]

Hi all, I'm thinking about throwing an old wall hanger muzzleloading shotgun in the gun rack in my truck just to put guns back into the local collective consciousness. Would a muzzleloader still have to be in a locked container when driving within 1000 feet of a school?

Also, I sometimes drive on the publicly accessible roads running through the UCSB campus. Is a muzzleloader a problem here?

I would think from the head scratching your question causes...it would be a bad idea. Although your thoughts are well intended, you have to ask yourself if it's worth a prolonged encounter with LE after a 911 call from a panic stricken student or staff member of the school. Just something to think about IMHO.

[thevic]

Im confused now. This whole time i thought long guns must be locked in a GFSZ

[jtmkinsd]

Im confused now. This whole time i thought long guns must be locked in a GFSZ

(a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
(b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person
knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in
paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written
permission of the school district superintendent, his or her
designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as
specified in subdivision (f).
(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
under any of the following circumstances:
(1) Within a place of residence or place of business or on private
property, if the place of residence, place of business, or private
property is not part of the school grounds and the possession of the
firearm is otherwise lawful.
(2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked
container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.
This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in
accordance with state law.

And this from DOJ website:

Nonconcealable firearms (rifles and shotguns) are not generally covered within the provisions of California Penal Code section 12025 and therefore are not required to be transported in a locked container. However, as with any firearm, nonconcealable firearms must be unloaded while they are being transported. A rifle or shotgun that is defined as an assault weapon pursuant to Penal Code 12276 or 12276.1 must be transported in accordance with Penal Code section 12026.1.

[thevic]

Well ill be damned

[jtmkinsd]

It's a common misconception...when some guys I sell long guns to come to pick up their gun the first thing they want to do is throw on the lock...I ask them why they're doing it and the first thing that comes out of them is "isn't it illegal to transport unlocked?" Even after I explain it to them, the next thing that comes out of them is "well I'd rather be safe than sorry", which I can't argue against...but at least I made the effort to educate

[M14 Junkie]

Hi all, I'm thinking about throwing an old wall hanger muzzleloading shotgun in the gun rack in my truck just to put guns back into the local collective consciousness.

Are you serious? 'Cause I gotta tell ya that most people down there in SB and especially on the UCSB campus will look at that as you being some kinda nut.

If that's your bag, then go for it.

[dantodd]

The GFSZ only applies to "firearms capable of being concealed upon the person."

(a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
(b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written permission of the school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as specified in subdivision (f).

A couple of people here seem to be getting way off track. As Librarian pointed out long guns are not covered by the CALIFORNIA GFSZ act.



But. Long Guns ARE covered by the FEDERAL GFSZ. The question is if muzzle loaders are firearms per the FEDERAL GFSZ.