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  • #61
    dantodd
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2009
    • 9360

    Originally posted by Havoc70
    I'm guessing since the applicant now fills out section 7 (the Investigator's notes), it should be subject to disclosure, yes?
    This is why most SO/SD's ask you to not fill in the "good cause" section of the application before going into the first interview.

    As others have pointed out, this was a direct attempt to avoid CBS v. Block disclosure. Any judge will see through this.
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    • #62
      Too Slow
      Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 175

      As a name on that list, here are my thoughts:

      I knew going in that my name could be public. I don't know why however as I'm not real excited about the potential for friends/neighbors to come up to me and say "so you packing today?" Why not just let me carry it on my hip?However, it is what it is.

      I have no issue with having my GC being examined on an anonymous basis. However, it clearly needs to be seperated from my personal information. I would have to see exactly how this would be done to support this.

      I want none of my background info released. The sheriff knew things about me that I didn't know. The report on me must have been 30 pages long. Don't ask exactly what, but trust me. Someone with this knowledge could cause me a great deal of ID theft/fraud etc.

      Obviously, I support CCW. I think we must just be very careful about how things get disclosed. I trust CGF, but I'd hate to see some precedent where another entity has broader access as a result of this and next thing you know I have Brady people camped out at my front door or worse at my business.

      Then, I might have to shoot one
      I'll bet you have more than 2k worth of guns and I'll bet you have no insurance coverage for them. PM me for help in protecting your investment for only a couple of bucks per year.

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      • #63
        greasemonkey
        Banned
        • Jan 2009
        • 2474

        Originally posted by dantodd
        This is why most SO/SD's ask you to not fill in the "good cause" section of the application before going into the first interview.

        As others have pointed out, this was a direct attempt to avoid CBS v. Block disclosure. Any judge will see through this.
        In the same way that if one permit is issued for "self defense" GC, what if a permit is issued with a blank GC on the application itself? (Due to verbal GC or written on a separate sheet) Does that mean that no GC statement is required and permits should be issued to anyone not prohibited?

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        • #64
          leelaw
          Junior Member
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Oct 2005
          • 10445

          Originally posted by gotgunz
          What if I don't want them knowing?
          Then you won't be applying for a CCW, which has a public information disclosure plastered right across it.

          I don't like or advocate a "trust us" attitude in regards to any entity having information about someone*; however, in regards to public information you will sign away the information contained within a CCW by entering it into the public domain.

          *A matter of general preference, and not a commentary on CGF

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          • #65
            dantodd
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2009
            • 9360

            Originally posted by greasemonkey
            In the same way that if one permit is issued for "self defense" GC, what if a permit is issued with a blank GC on the application itself? (Due to verbal GC or written on a separate sheet) Does that mean that no GC statement is required and permits should be issued to anyone not prohibited?
            My personal belief is that any desire to carry is at least as strong of "good cause" as no comment is. However; when you bring your GC in on a separate piece of paper the interviewer is supposed to write your GC in the "interviewers notes" section. This is how some sheriffs are attempting to avoid disclosure.
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            341 Beach Road
            Burlingame CA 94010
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            • #66
              dantodd
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2009
              • 9360

              Originally posted by Too Slow
              As a name on that list, here are my thoughts:

              I knew going in that my name could be public. I don't know why however as I'm not real excited about the potential for friends/neighbors to come up to me and say "so you packing today?" Why not just let me carry it on my hip?However, it is what it is.

              I have no issue with having my GC being examined on an anonymous basis. However, it clearly needs to be seperated from my personal information. I would have to see exactly how this would be done to support this.
              CGF is asking for no more information than any person in CA could get. However; when Brandon posts the pdf files with the "good causes" that the various sheriffs are accepting he is releasing no names as those are not pertinent to our goals.

              The sheriff is still more than happy to release your name etc. but are trying to protect the GC's that they are issuing for.
              Coyote Point Armory
              341 Beach Road
              Burlingame CA 94010
              650-315-2210
              http://CoyotePointArmory.com

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              • #67
                J.D.Allen
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 2340

                Right. The fact that the GC is precisely what they are trying to avoid disclosing is kind of telling don't you think?

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