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  • Bobby Hated
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 1616

    My letter to Senator Boxer

    as a lifelong liberal progressive Democrat and lifelong firearm owner and enthusiast I felt the need to express my viewpoints to my Senator whom I have voted for as long as I could vote. Instead of just *****ing about it on the internet to other gun owners, I decided to actually send Senator Boxer a letter. here it is, lemme know what you think:

    I would like to express my opposition to Senator Boxer's position on the right to bear arms, particularly her support for a new assault weapons ban, which she voiced support for in a recent press conference with LA Sherriff Lee Baca.

    I am a lifelong Democrat, liberal progressive, and have voted consistently for Senator Boxer and all other Democrat candidates since I first voted 14 years ago. However, I am also a proud gun owner, and I legally own multiple rifles and carbines that would be considered "assault weapons" by Senator Boxer, none of which have ever been used in the commission of a crime.

    I would like to implore Senator Boxer to give up her anti-gun rights position for both moral and political reasons. Morally, I cannot condone any attempt by anyone in government to limit the personal freedoms of citizens in this country. Infringing on the personal freedoms of citizens, whether it be gay marriage, marijuana legalization, or firearm possession is always a loser in my book.

    Our party champions the personal freedoms of citizens on every issue, except the right to bear arms of citizens' choosing. The hypocrisy of advocating personal freedoms in every area except the right to bear arms is not tenable in my opinion. If people use firearms in the commission of a crime, against their fellow citizens, then they deserve to be arrested and prosecuted. But to subject citizens to arrest and prosecution for mere possession of certain firearms, even if no actual crime has been committed against their fellow citizens, is not my idea of justice. We have entirely too many people ensnared in the web of the criminal justice system as it is (it is bankrupting our state as we speak), so why are we criminalizing otherwise law-abiding citizens? Murder rates have continued to plunge, even though the assault weapons ban expired. So I am rather unconvinced that there is a correlation between ownership of "assault weapons" by law-abiding citizens and violent crime.

    Politically speaking it is also a very poorly conceived strategy for our party. Most Americans and Californians who vote Republican, are working-class people. We need to ask ourselves, why do working-class people vote against their own class interests by supporting Republican candidates who represent business interests exclusively?

    As a firearms enthusiast I regularly socialize with Republicans, who are very much over-represented among firearms enthusiasts. My conversations with these misguided working-class Republicans has led me to conclude that if our party gave up trying to restrict citizens' right to possess firearms of their choice, we could turn a large segment of these working-class Republican voters to our side.

    Many of these people vote primarily on the gun issue alone. For reference I suggest you read some of the discussions on the major firearms enthusiast websites: Calguns.net (2nd Amendment Laws section) or AR15.com (for a more nationally representative subject population). By giving up the gun issue, we could recruit a significant percentage of these voters to our side, and maintain a permanent majority in the Congress. In a nation where we are divided nearly 50/50 Democrat/Republican, even a small percentage of turn-overs to our party would make all the difference in being able to enact the progressive policies that matter to us most: business regulation, unionization of the workforce, universal healthcare, environmental protection, funding education, etc.

    Why are we sacrificing our ability to enact a whole agenda of progressive policies, over one issue - the gun issue? It makes no sense politically, or morally in my opinion. Why are we allowing our political opponents to cast us as fascists for restricting citizens' gun rights?

    If the Democratic Party gave up the gun issue, the Republican Party would be finished.

    Thank you for your consideration Senator. I will continue to support you, despite my opposition to your position on this policy, because I believe the class interests of working-class people is a more important issue than the right to bear arms. But what I can't do is convince my Republican friends to vote Democrat, so long as the Democratic party (Senator Boxer included) insists on restricting the personal freedom to own firearms of one's choosing.
    USPSA Master TY-71084

  • #2
    Anti-Hero
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 1572

    Good luck with that.
    IPSO FACTO

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    • #3
      nazgulnarsil
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 250

      "Our party champions the personal freedoms of citizens on every issue, except the right to bear arms"

      I'm sorry, but you may want to reexamine your political beliefs in light of actual rather than intended outcomes.
      The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists. -Hemingway

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      • #4
        Bhobbs
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2009
        • 11847

        I agree with the main point of your letter but the rest made me throw up in my mouth. I guess that's why I am not a progressive liberal Democrat.

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        • #5
          PatriotnMore
          Calguns Addict
          • Nov 2007
          • 7068

          Originally posted by Bobby Hated
          I am a lifelong Democrat, liberal progressive, and have voted consistently for Senator Boxer and all other Democrat candidates since I first voted 14 years ago. However, I am also a proud gun owner, and I legally own multiple rifles and carbines that would be considered "assault weapons" by Senator Boxer, none of which have ever been used in the commission of a crime.

          Actually it has, the LA shoot out most recently, and the school children killings back in the 80's are the two which come to mind, Of which the latter is what started the whole AW issue here in CA.
          ‎"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."
          --James Madison
          'Letter to Edmund Pendleton', 1792

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          • #6
            Bhobbs
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2009
            • 11847

            Originally posted by PatriotnMore
            Actually it has, the LA shoot out most recently, and the school children killings back in the 80's are the two which come to mind, Of which the latter is what started the whole AW issue here in CA.
            I think he means his own personal rifles, not that so called AWs have never been used in a crime.

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            • #7
              HowardW56
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2003
              • 5901

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              • #8
                glockwise2000
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 2520



                Goodluck BTW.
                Last edited by glockwise2000; 10-12-2010, 8:32 PM.
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                • #9
                  GeetarGoul
                  Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 445

                  "We need to ask ourselves, why do working-class people vote against their own class interests by supporting Republican candidates who represent business interests exclusively?"

                  You probably will never get it. Working class people want more of their hard earned income to stay in their own pockets instead of it being redistributed to wealthy and powerful unions. Self employed working class people want there to be more jobs for everyone so that their businesses will have more customers with some money in their pockets. The Democrats cater to the unions and the chronically poor who want other people's money. Voting Republican is in their best self interest.

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                  • #10
                    bandook
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 1220

                    Actually, gun control fits perfectly with the Dem. philosophy - so this isn't going away soon.

                    Generally, Democrat Politicians want the government to take care of the people (unions, welfare, social programs etc.) including their security (guns only for those that 'serve and protect').

                    We all know that this is misguided and the best way to get politicians to stop blabbing 'the police will protect you' is to publicly call them out on each murder or rape in their jurisdiction. (Obviously the police failed to protect the victim).

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                    • #11
                      titankeith
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 697

                      You cannot be a "progressive Liberal" and espouse personal freedom-it's a contradiction in terms.
                      A=A.
                      Coercion is coercion whether it's about your favorite freedom, or someone elses.

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                      • #12
                        Donny1
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 2341

                        Originally posted by Bobby Hated
                        Our party champions the personal freedoms of citizens on every issue, except the right to bear arms of citizens' choosing.

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                        • #13
                          PaperPuncher
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 999

                          You are writing to a group that wants to and thinks it makes sense to regulate the distribution of toys in a McDonald's happy meal.

                          What do you think that means for scary, black, evil guns?

                          Good Luck!!

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                          • #14
                            Glock22Fan
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2006
                            • 5752

                            We need to ask ourselves, why do working-class people vote against their own class interests by supporting Republican candidates who represent business interests exclusively?
                            Because without sound profitable businesses, there will be far fewer jobs for the rest of us.

                            Because working class Republicans realize that an over-taxed business is hardly in a position to give generous salaries and bonuses.

                            Because not all of us want to be "nanny'd" and only given what the state thinks we should have.

                            I could go on, but your position is so naive, I had to respond somewhat.

                            On the plus side, your letter has no glaring grammar and spelling mistakes. So many of us think that politicians will take us seriously even if we should have used a spellchecker and proofreader, but didn't.
                            Last edited by Glock22Fan; 10-12-2010, 9:35 AM.
                            John -- bitter gun owner.

                            All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
                            I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

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                            • #15
                              rodeoflyer
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1064

                              So, after FOURTEEN YEARS.......NOW you realize she is evil?

                              I'm glad you finally saw the light. Now spread the word to all your evil cohorts.
                              Originally posted by jonnyt16
                              I know the safety nazis will kill me for this, but there's nothing like a mag dump of .223 tracer rounds at night out of your AR with a little bit of firewater in your system. Man what a feeling!

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