CA legal handguns?

[jaybirdjtski]

Is there a way to legally purchase and register handguns that are NOT on the CA List of Approved Handguns. I don't mean C&Rs but handguns like collectible Smith and Wessons, Colts, Dan Wesson, etc., that are not named specifically on the list.

I've asked an FFL and I am not sure he really knows or just does not want to be bothered trying. It seems crazy because some approved handguns would appear to anti's as "more evil" than some not on the list. Like a specific S&W long barrelled target revolver is not on the list but a semi auto with a 4" bbl is. I dearly wanted to buy a Sig Trailside 22 lr with target sights, 10 rd. mag, Hammerli barrel but my FFL told me I could not do this. Same thing happened with an S&W 29-2.

Also, can collectible handguns not on the list be legally transferred between CA residents?


Thanks in advance for any responses.

[Quiet]

The non-approve listed handguns can be modified out-of-state into either a dimentionally compliant single-action revolver [PC 12133(a)] or a dimentionally compliant single-shot pistol [PC 12133(b)].



Penal Code 12133
(a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States Code.
(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

[mrjones98]

Talk to the folks at Valkyrie Arms

[dantodd]

Once a handgun has been imported into California via various legal means it is lawful to transfer it between individuals as a Person-to-Person Transfer. However that does require you to find someone fairly local who has the firearm you wish to purchase.

Another way to acquire such a gun is to have a parent or child who lives out of state purchase the gun and send it to you through your local FFL. Intrafamilial transfers are roster exempt, even interstate. Interfamilial transfers only travel direct lineal lines, grandparent, parent, child, grandchild etc. You cannot use the interfamilial exception for transfers between siblings, nieces, nephews or cousins. Not all FFLs realize this exemption exists for interstate transfers so shop for a knowledgeable FFL before having your gun shipped to you. It is also important that the purchaser use their money to buy the gun, they can then decide to give or sell it to you but they shouldn't be paid for the gun before they transfer it to you.

As Quiet said there are single-shot exemptions as well.

[jaybirdjtski]

So, basically then, stupidity trumps logic and reason. Guess if you are a serious collector of handguns you simply emigrate to a friendly state! Same with the 50 BMG. You can own a 50 DTC or a 416 Barrett. Just not a 50 BMG. Makes sense to me....

I'm surprised the NRA hasn't challenged this in court. Maybe they have bigger fish to fry like spending money on issues that directly affect the right of individuals to own guns at all.

[fiddletown]

...I'm surprised the NRA hasn't challenged this in court. Maybe they have bigger fish to fry like spending money on issues that directly affect the right of individuals to own guns at all.

I believe there is now a lawsuit going forward. It was filed a while ago, I believe, and was waiting for a favorable ruling in McDonald. Now that we have that.

[ke6guj]

So, basically then, stupidity trumps logic and reason. Guess if you are a serious collector of handguns you simply emigrate to a friendly state! Same with the 50 BMG. You can own a 50 DTC or a 416 Barrett. Just not a 50 BMG. Makes sense to me....

they don't want you have any guns, but were only able to ban that much. I wouldn't call it stupidity, but getting what they could, when they could. The fact that we read the laws and figure out what they didn't ban is just smarts on our side.

I'm surprised the NRA hasn't challenged this in court. Maybe they have bigger fish to fry like spending money on issues that directly affect the right of individuals to own guns at all.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Pena_v_Cid

[tintguy]

I'm surprised the NRA hasn't challenged this in court. Maybe they have bigger fish to fry like spending money on issues that directly affect the right of individuals to own guns at all.[/QUOTE]

Read http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Pena_v_Cid

[greybeard]

. I dearly wanted to buy a Sig Trailside 22 lr with target sights, 10 rd. mag, Hammerli barrel but my FFL told me I could not do this. Same thing happened with an S&W 29-2.

Also, can collectible handguns not on the list be legally transferred between CA residents?


Thanks in advance for any responses.

Do they still make the trailside. Also there is an exception for
Olympic pistols, different list

[Quiet]

So, basically then, stupidity trumps logic and reason.

Gun control laws are not based on logic and reason, they are based on emotion.

[jaybirdjtski]

I found the Trailside on gunbroker. It sold, NIB, target sights, 6' bbl, with USMC embossed custom leather holster and leather mag pouches for $475. Sold fast, too, at the "buy it now" price.

You are correct about "logic and reason." If lawmakers used logic and reason they wouldn't have jobs. Politics is all about staying in power. Our founding fathers had it correct, especially the part about only being able to vote if you did not own property. They knew what would happen if the "have-nots" got to vote.

[SupportGeek]

I found the Trailside on gunbroker. It sold, NIB, target sights, 6' bbl, with USMC embossed custom leather holster and leather mag pouches for $475. Sold fast, too, at the "buy it now" price.

You are correct about "logic and reason." If lawmakers used logic and reason they wouldn't have jobs. Politics is all about staying in power. Our founding fathers had it correct, especially the part about only being able to vote if you did not own property. They knew what would happen if the "have-nots" got to vote.

Ok, so if I cannot vote because Im renting until Im able to own property (saving), I also should be exempt from all taxes too right? No taxation without representation!