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  • Vbp6us
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 236

    OCEANSIDE: Man dies of injuries suffered in fight...

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    OCEANSIDE ---- A 53-year-old man who reportedly was punched and fell to the ground Sunday night in Oceanside died Tuesday of his injuries, police said Wednesday.
    William Hoyle allegedly was involved in an altercation with another man, 35-year-old Bruce Hamil, at Hosie's Pacific Pub, 113 S. Coast Highway, said Lt. Leonard Mata. Hamil fled the scene before police arrived, Mata said.
    Officers later found Hamil in a parked car about one block from the scene, Mata said. He was arrested and booked into the Vista jail on an assault charge, police said.
    Hoyle was taken to Scripps Memorial Hospital. He died Tuesday at 6:35 a.m., Mata said.


    Guns and alcohol don't mix so that's not what I'm saying here. Fists can be deadly weapons, contrary to what the law thinks. 53 years of age vs 35 might have something to do with it but a 53 year old isn't exactly incapable either, all things considered. My point is, fists can be used as weapons and should be viewed that way by the law, as clearly demonstrated by this tragic story.
    Last edited by Vbp6us; 09-29-2010, 7:37 PM.
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    Zdiddy
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 498

    Alcohol was the primary issue in this.

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    • #3
      pullnshoot25
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 8068

      Dude... what?

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      • #4
        Vtec44
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 2237

        Originally posted by Vbp6us
        Fists can be deadly weapons,
        Yep, and deadly too.
        "When chosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before." - Mae West

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        • #5
          anthonyca
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2008
          • 6316

          Originally posted by Vbp6us
          Excerpt:





          Guns and alcohol don't mix so that's not what I'm saying here. Fists can be deadly weapons, contrary to what the law thinks. 53 years of age vs 35 might have something to do with it but a 53 year old isn't exactly incapable either, all things considered. My point is, fists can be used as weapons and should be viewed that way by the law, as clearly demonstrated by this tragic story.
          Are you pushing for more laws or being sarcastic?
          https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

          Originally posted by Wherryj
          I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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            DragRag
            Member
            • Jul 2009
            • 124

            If I put my hands in my pockets, and close them, am I concealing a deadly weapon? lol
            Last edited by DragRag; 09-29-2010, 10:40 PM.

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            • #7
              Monte
              Member
              CGN Contributor
              • Nov 2007
              • 426

              Originally posted by anthonyca
              Are you pushing for more laws or being sarcastic?
              My take was that if someone attacks you with nothing but fists, your life could very well be in danger, and you'd be in the right defending yourself. But, I could be wrong.

              There was a similar case in San Diego a few years back. If I remember correctly, some guy punched a door guy at a club, the guy fell just the wrong way, hitting his head on the concrete and died.

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              • #8
                wheels
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 2292

                Originally posted by Monte
                My take was that if someone attacks you with nothing but fists, your life could very well be in danger, and you'd be in the right defending yourself. But, I could be wrong.

                There was a similar case in San Diego a few years back. If I remember correctly, some guy punched a door guy at a club, the guy fell just the wrong way, hitting his head on the concrete and died.
                Yep assault can be the end of you...the head just doesn't compare to concrete, unless you are a liberal...
                The society that separates its scholars from its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. Thucydides
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                • #9
                  BoxesOfLiberty
                  Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 336

                  Originally posted by DragRag
                  If I put my hands in my pocket and close them am I concealing a deadly weapon? lol
                  Even if you don't put them in your pockets, you are carrying weapons capable of being concealed.

                  You gotta have a permit for those.
                  Dennis Murray

                  Originally posted by EdHowdershelt
                  There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order.

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                  • #10
                    destro360
                    Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 453

                    Originally posted by BoxesOfLiberty
                    Even if you don't put them in your pockets, you are carrying weapons capable of being concealed.

                    You gotta have a permit for those.
                    actually if you put your hands in your pockets just the right way you are guilty of "brandishing a weapon"

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                    • #11
                      Vbp6us
                      Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 236

                      Originally posted by Monte
                      My take was that if someone attacks you with nothing but fists, your life could very well be in danger, and you'd be in the right defending yourself. But, I could be wrong.

                      There was a similar case in San Diego a few years back. If I remember correctly, some guy punched a door guy at a club, the guy fell just the wrong way, hitting his head on the concrete and died.
                      I thought there was an unsaid rule to not draw/shoot on anyone that doesn't have a weapon in their hands? I've read this in many threads. Some say not to shoot a home invader even because the courts will get you in trouble. What I was saying in the first post was, I believe fist fighting should be considered a weapon as well and I as I understand it, CA courts don't really give leniency to a shooter if the attacker was using his fists alone, which is bull crap if you're a smaller guy.

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                      • #12
                        Vbp6us
                        Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 236

                        Originally posted by anthonyca
                        Are you pushing for more laws or being sarcastic?
                        I'm saying we should be able to CCW more easily basically.

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                        • #13
                          lowk_18
                          Junior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 84

                          Originally posted by anthonyca
                          Are you pushing for more laws or being sarcastic?
                          I think that he's saying that if someone attacks you with their fists, that you should be able to draw on them. Unless I'm mistaken, that's currently not the case unless there is a disparity of force.

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                          • #14
                            RRichie09
                            Veteran Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2592

                            Originally posted by Monte
                            My take was that if someone attacks you with nothing but fists, your life could very well be in danger, and you'd be in the right defending yourself. But, I could be wrong.

                            There was a similar case in San Diego a few years back. If I remember correctly, some guy punched a door guy at a club, the guy fell just the wrong way, hitting his head on the concrete and died.
                            Yeah, that happened in NYC. A freak thing that ruined the life of two people.

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                            • #15
                              RRichie09
                              Veteran Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 2592

                              Originally posted by BoxesOfLiberty
                              Even if you don't put them in your pockets, you are carrying weapons capable of being concealed.

                              You gotta have a permit for those.
                              But if its not in a fist, its considered unloaded right?

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