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[Foriegn power]

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[Cokebottle]

Unincorporated county where shooting is not otherwise prohibited, and not upon a highway, nor within 300 yards of a highway or structure.

[Quiet]

Hmm sounds good man, so I'm pretty sure where north of barstow where it is legal to shoot i can LOC. Specifically by Calico, but does anyone have the PC?

Check the area if it's legal to shoot there.

Updated San Bernardino County shooting area map.

If it's not legal to discharge a firearm in that part of the unincorporated area of the county, then it is not legal to LOC.


Penal Code 12031
(a)(1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory.

[Decoligny]

California Penal Code 12031 covers it.

It state that carrying a loaded firearm is illegal in incorporated cities, and prohibited areas of unincorporated territory.

So, if you are not in an incormporated city, or you are not in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory, it is LEGAL to carry a loaded firearm.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=77702217721+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

California Fish & Game regulation covers the distance from buildings and roads. It however, only applies "while hunting". So, you could legally target shoot while standing right next to a building, or while standing right off the side of a road.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=77764421800+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

3004. (a) It is unlawful for any person, other than the owner, person in possession of the premises, or a person having the express permission of the owner or person in possession of the premises, to hunt or to discharge while hunting, any firearm or other deadly weapon within 150 yards of any occupied dwelling house, residence, or other building or any barn or other outbuilding used in connection therewith. The 150-yard area is a "safety zone."
(b) It is unlawful for any person to intentionally discharge any firearm or release any arrow or crossbow bolt over or across any public road or other established way open to the public in an unsafe and reckless manner.

[Cokebottle]

California Fish & Game regulation covers the distance from buildings and roads. It however, only applies "while hunting". So, you could legally target shoot while standing right next to a building, or while standing right off the side of a road.

Interesting.

I'm specifically interested in some of the paved and unpaved roads in the eastern Salton Sea area... specifically, Coachella Canal Rd, and the feeder roads to it off of the 111.
I would assume that Bradshaw Trail would be GTG except for the small segment of it that passes through the Naval target range.

[Southwest Chuck]

Firearms in Forests and Parks

Like it says guys I was wondering if I were to head to barstow on BLM to do some legal rec shooting what are the PC's if I can LOC and ride around my OHV vehicle pull over and shoot!

You might want to check out Mudcamper's thread "Firearms in Forests and Parks". It will pretty much answer all of your questions and more. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=186457


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[ki6ojv]

Interesting.

I'm specifically interested in some of the paved and unpaved roads in the eastern Salton Sea area... specifically, Coachella Canal Rd, and the feeder roads to it off of the 111.
I would assume that Bradshaw Trail would be GTG except for the small segment of it that passes through the Naval target range.

It is north of Barstow or East of 29 palms that is BLM open land. That is the Stated area legal to shoot from the BLM.

[Cokebottle]

It is north of Barstow or East of 29 palms that is BLM open land. That is the Stated area legal to shoot from the BLM.

That is the area that the OP is asking about.

I'm expressing interest in a particular unincorporated area (both BLM, private, and no designation on the BLM maps) in northern Imperial County/Eastern Riverside County.

I know Western Riverside County is pretty much off limits.

[Foriegn power]

I'm talking about off the 15 freeway adjacent to Calico in the canyons, such a beautiful desolate place to ride and shoot and open carry, pull aside shoot at targets.

[GrizzlyGuy]

California Fish & Game regulation covers the distance from buildings and roads. It however, only applies "while hunting". So, you could legally target shoot while standing right next to a building, or while standing right off the side of a road.

That's true, but most counties specify their own distances from buildings or 'occupied dwellings' in their county code. Shooting within those distances is a misdemeanor and can also trigger a 12031 charge even if you don't shoot.

For example, in my county (Nevada) it is 50 yards and we also have a no-shooting-at-night law (unless hunting). In Sierra county it is 150 yards. Mendocino county has an oddball one: 400 yards for pistols/rifles, 150 yards for shotguns. Over in Placer county, no distances but they define areas like this one in the county code:



That area's definition in the Placer County code is 'surveyor gibberish' but you're still expected to know exactly where the boundaries are. Unfortunately, signs like that one aren't on all the roads and OHV trails leading into the area. Don't ask me how I know that...

[P08]

Interesting.

I'm specifically interested in some of the paved and unpaved roads in the eastern Salton Sea area... specifically, Coachella Canal Rd, and the feeder roads to it off of the 111.
I would assume that Bradshaw Trail would be GTG except for the small segment of it that passes through the Naval target range.

The sheriff+blm patrols the canal and some of the roads feeding into it, for off roaders, it is an 'illegal trespass ticket' if your caught on most sections of the canal. Personally I have never seen any people out there, other than what I can only describe as 'the scum of the earth'.

Cant imagine what the sheriff or blm would do if you were packing.

[Decoligny]

That's true, but most counties specify their own distances from buildings or 'occupied dwellings' in their county code. Shooting within those distances is a misdemeanor and can also trigger a 12031 charge even if you don't shoot.

For example, in my county (Nevada) it is 50 yards and we also have a no-shooting-at-night law (unless hunting). In Sierra county it is 150 yards. Mendocino county has an oddball one: 400 yards for pistols/rifles, 150 yards for shotguns. Over in Placer county, no distances but they define areas like this one in the county code:



That area's definition in the Placer County code is 'surveyor gibberish' but you're still expected to know exactly where the boundaries are. Unfortunately, signs like that one aren't on all the roads and OHV trails leading into the area. Don't ask me how I know that...

Do you have any citations for that? I just looked through Nevada County Ordinances and there was no mention of it in the list of County misdemeanors.

[GrizzlyGuy]

Do you have any citations for that? I just looked through Nevada County Ordinances and there was no mention of it in the list of County misdemeanors.

Nevada County Code (Sec. G-VII 1.27 Discharging a Firearm):

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to:

1. Discharge any firearm within 50 yards of any dwelling house, residence, or other building or any barn or any outbuilding used in connection therewith...

C. It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge any firearm between 1/2 hour after sunset and 1/2 hour before sunrise. This subsection shall not apply to persons legally engaged in hunting for non-game mammals and/or furbearers in accordance with Title 14, Sections 466 and 474, of the California Code of Regulations. (Ord. #1540, 11/8/88)

Truckee Municipal Code (my town uses same distance as it's county, Nevada)):

9.13.010 Discharging a Firearm

It shall be unlawful for any person to...:

2. Discharge any firearm within fifty (50) yards of any dwelling house, residence, or other building or any barn or outbuilding used in connection therewith.

Sierra County Code:

8.40.100 Shooting Prohibited
It is unlawful for any person, other than the owner, person in possession of the premises, or a person having the express permission of the owner or person in possession of the premises, to discharge any firearm or other deadly weapon within 150 yards of any dwelling house, residence, or other building or any barn or other outbuilding used in connection therewith without a permit issued by the Sierra County Sheriff's Department. Such permit shall be required, irrespective of whether or not a depredation permit has been issued by the California Department of Fish and Game, or by any other agency. The 150-yard area is a "safety zone." (Ord. 756, eff. 04/05/90)

Placer County Code (Code 9.20.010 Unincorporated areas of the county, this is the 'surveyor gibberish' that describes the area in my photo):

A. Prohibited. Except as hereinafter provided, it is unlawful for any person to carry or discharge any firearms, explosives, bows or arrows or other similar missile within the unincorporated areas of the county as set forth and described in subsection B of this section, or to discharge any of the aforesaid into such areas.
B. Applicable Area. This area to which subsection A of this section applies is described as follows:

Beginning at the junction of the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the American River and the Middle Fork of the American River; thence northeasterly up the North Fork of the Middle Fork to Grouse Creek; then northeasterly up main Grouse Creek to its head approximately at the north one-quarter corner of section six, township fourteen north, range thirteen east, thence due east along such township line to its intersection with Red Star Ridge, this being the divide between Duncan Creek and the Middle Fork of the American River; thence northeasterly following the summit of Red Star Ridge to the new Westville-French Meadows highway, thence northeasterly along the highway to a point in section four, township fifteen north, range fourteen east, where the highway leaves the main divide between the North Fork of the American River and the Middle Fork of the American River, thence easterly along the summit of the divide between the North Fork of the American River and the Middle Fork of the American River to Needle Peak, thence southerly following the summit of the divide to Mount Mildred; thence following the divide between Gray Horse Creek to the Middle Fork of the American River to its intersection with the Big Meadows-Gray Hose Valley Trail; thence following such trail to the South Fork of Long Canyon; thence westerly down Long Canyon and Rubicon River and the Middle Fork of the American River to the point of beginning at the mouth of the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the American River.

Mendocino County Code (oopsie, it is actually 500 yards instead of the 400 yards I recalled from memory):

Sec. 8.04.080 Shooting Prohibited Near Occupied Building.

Except as hereinafter provided for shotguns, no person other than the owner, person in possession of the premises, or person having the express permission of the owner or person in possession of the premises, shall discharge any firearm within five hundred (500) yards of any occupied dwelling house, or any residence, of any other building or barn or outbuilding used in connection with such dwelling house or residence, or of any building in the process of construction.
(Ord. No. 1325, adopted 1974, amended by Ord. No. 1327, adopted 1974, as amended by Ord. No. 1350, adopted 1974.)

Sec. 8.04.085 Shotguns.

No person other than the owner, person in possession of the premises, or person having the express permission of the owner or person in possession of the premises shall discharge any shotgun within one hundred fifty (150) yards of any occupied dwelling house, of any residence, of any other building or barn or outbuilding used in connection with such dwelling house or residence, or of any building in the process of construction.
(Ord. No. 1350, adopted 1974.)

[Cokebottle]

The sheriff+blm patrols the canal and some of the roads feeding into it, for off roaders, it is an 'illegal trespass ticket' if your caught on most sections of the canal. Personally I have never seen any people out there, other than what I can only describe as 'the scum of the earth'.

Cant imagine what the sheriff or blm would do if you were packing.

Within the fenced area of the canal itself, certainly, but the road is not gated or fenced, nor marked "no trespassing", at any of the feeder roads or entry points at the washes, and the Canal road is the only access to Bradshaw Trail from the west end.

The only "no trespassing" signs that are out there are those surrounding the Naval installation, and the fences along the canal itself.
I've been on that road hundreds of times and passed USFS and SO trucks... they just smile and wave.