LAX Gun Range Heads up - Gun(w/Cable Lock)+Loaded magazine in same case ????

[dieselpower]

I had this wrong for years too.

The law is about a concealed Weapon...Its has ZERO to do about how to carry a firearm. The Law is about LOADED while carrying a firearm, NOT just being loaded.

Carry of firearms must be UNLOADED at all times unless certain conditions apply
1) CCW issued by X
2) LEO
3) authorized shooting event
4) immediate danger where a loaded firearm is needed, (subject to DA review)

Loaded is defined as ammo in the firearm (chambered) or attached to the firearm, (in a magazine INSIDE the firearm) but not in a holder like a sling holding ammo or a attachment that holds ammo or a magazine "at the ready" to be inserted into the firearm.

You must NOT conceal a firearm from view UNLESS its done a certain way.
1) CCW issued by X
2) LEO
3) Its inside a LOCKED container

A trigger lock doesn't allow you to carry a handgun in a case. The gun is still concealed and you can be charged with carrying a concealed weapon.
The glove compartment and center console (utility box) is NOT a locked container even if they lock. The trunk is a locked container as long as there is no access via fold down back seat.

So in the trunk no trigger / action lock is needed. Gun must be unloaded. Ammo can be in there too.
The gun can be on the seat next to you. Unloaded, in plain view, ammo next to it, NOT within 1000ft of a school.
The gun can be CONCEALED from view, in a LOCKED case, unloaded, with ammo inside the LOCKED case as well. and the case can be sitting on the seat next to you.

I love when you buy a hand gun and the store clerk puts the lock on the gun and puts the gun in the case. You are walking to your car with a concealed weapon at that point...LOL a trigger lock or action lock doesn't allow you to carry a concealed weapon.

[JagerTroop]

Correct me if I am wrong but if you lock the case in your trunk no further lock is required correct?

This is true, however, if the rear seats fold down (ie, can be accessed from the passenger compartment) without the use of a key, you'll need to lock the case. This is because it's not really a locked container.

In my girl's car (ford focus) the seats fold down, but the latch is in the trunk, so it can't be done from the pass. compartment. Other vehicles have a latch strap, usually near the headrest, or in the crack between the seat and back.

[paul0660]

"California law states that you can not have loaded magazines near your firearm."

Next time, ask the expert what "near" means.

[nick]

The gun can be CONCEALED from view, in a LOCKED case, unloaded, with ammo inside the LOCKED case as well. and the case can be sitting on the seat next to you.

Just to elaborate, the ammo doesn't have to be in a locked case. You meant that in the OP's scenario, it can be in the same case as the gun, right?

[slobson]

What if you use the cable lock to lock the case that the gun will be transported in? Would'nt that meet the locked container requirement?

although I can't provide the PC or a reference, I recall reading in multiple places that the standard for the container to be locked is if you can get a finger in the compartment with the weapon without removing the lock then its not locked at all

for those looking for a good case, if you have access to Bass Pro they have a pretty good selection with decent prices

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_95089_175003000_175000000_175003000_175-3-0

[Cokebottle]

Just to elaborate, the ammo doesn't have to be in a locked case. You meant that in the OP's scenario, it can be in the same case as the gun, right?

Correct.

That's why he said "can be" at the beginning of that statement.

Other than school grounds and a few other sensitive places, there are NO laws regarding the transport of ammo. The only place the ammo can't be is physically IN the gun.

[Librarian]

although I can't provide the PC or a reference, I recall reading in multiple places that the standard for the container to be locked is if you can get a finger in the compartment with the weapon without removing the lock then its not locked at all

No legal basis for that standard, so far as I can determine. "Secure" is just undefined.

[cmth]

No legal basis for that standard, so far as I can determine. "Secure" is just undefined.

Indeed. It's up to you to decide just how "secure" your locked container must be, depending on how willing you are to be the test case. Use common sense.

[slobson]

No legal basis for that standard, so far as I can determine. "Secure" is just undefined.

my apologies, I stand corrected

[GoodEyeSniper]

For a cheap alternative, I just throw a padlock on my gym duffel bag.

A lock with a small loop, and when locked I don't think I can even squeeze a pinky in.

Plus the gun is in a separate plastic case inside there. so impossible to manipulate the gun.

[Theseus]

At this point I don't even bother arguing with people about these things. .. I just go about my business. Unfortunately I don't have to deal with these problems though. . . For almost a year now.

[nick]

At this point I don't even bother arguing with people about these things. .. I just go about my business. Unfortunately I don't have to deal with these problems though. . . For almost a year now.

Lucky you

[HondaMasterTech]

For a cheap alternative, I just throw a padlock on my gym duffel bag.

A lock with a small loop, and when locked I don't think I can even squeeze a pinky in.

Plus the gun is in a separate plastic case inside there. so impossible to manipulate the gun.

[dieselpower]

This is arguably a locked case. You are accessing it in a way not intended. I can pull the hinge pin on a hard shell clam case and access the firearm too. that doesn't mean the case wasn't locked attempting to stop normal access.

There is no law stating you must guarantee there will be no illegal or unauthorized access. That is impossible. I can bust open your trunk in under 2 seconds flat...that doesn't mean your trunk isn't a locked container.

Go get your hard shell gun case, turn it around and look at the hinge pin. There is a good chance all it would take to pull the pin is a set of pliers or even a nail-clipper to grasp the pin and pull it straight out.

[Havoc70]

The only time a firearm is considered loaded even with ammunition separate is when nearby state government buildings like the governor's mansion. In that case, merely possessing the gun with matching ammunition constitutes a loaded gun, even if the magazine is not in the firearm. I don't know if a locked case is sufficient.