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[rgs1975]

Hi,

Yes, I'm in the PRC. Now that we have that out of the way I have a question for you good people.

I am interested in owning an assault rifle. Not a PRC nuetered plinker but a real, honest to God assault rifle. M4 Carbine-ish is what I'm thinking. Knowing full well the laws and regulations of the PRC you all realize as well as I do that if I acted on those desires I'd have free meals and housing for the next 20 years or so, something I'd wish not to happen.

Ok, so I have relatives that live in Nevada. I would very much like to go to Nevada, purchase what ever assault rifle I decide upon and leave it in Nevada at my relatives house, never crossing the iron curtain.

What legal obstacles, if any, am I going to face in legally aquiring an assault rifle in Nevada and permenantly storing it in Nevada even though I am a resident of the PRC and the PRC only.

[blkA4alb]

It can't happen. As a resident of California you cannot buy a firearm such as an AR-15 in Nevada. To purchase it you would have to buy it there, have it shipped (California legal) back to an FFL in California, do the DROS and 10 day wait. Then bring it back to Nevada and store it there.

[bwiese]

[I assume you are not active-duty military (those folks can bring in AWs while stationed here, though the AW has to leave CA if person separates from service in CA.)]

As a CA resident, you cannot - due to a combination of state and Federal laws - legally buy a firearm outside CA. Any modern firearm you want that's outside CA has to be shipped into CA and handled by a CA FFL dealer and DROSed to you - period. This, by extension, means it can't be a gun that's banned in CA or not legal to sell to you (non-Rostered handguns as well as AWs).

Your only option - and I hesitate to recommend it since folks will screw up big time and get themselves into trouble - is to get second residency in NV (OR, AZ, etc.) This cannot be a sham PO box gig, you'd have to rent or own property there, maybe get a DL and/or vote, etc. and have some tangible 'experience'/'presence' there - i.e, spend appreciable amount of time. Having Uncle Jake say you live there is pretty shaky, and could (if push comes to shove) get Uncle Jake up for perjury if questioned. A 1-day stint per year (combined with your gambling trip to Reno) ain't gonna fly.

If you screw up you'll get in trouble with the Feds. Do more than the bare minimums; BATF has guidelines for what the standards of residency are for firearms acquisitions.

[Hunter]

Just buy your flavor of an AR-15 type lower (one that is allowed in CA) here in CA. Do all DROS, waiting ect. Then take that receiver with you to NV. Once in NV you can build it into whatever configuration you want. Then just leave it there. Nothing wrong with this approach.

[bwiese]

Just buy your flavor of an AR-15 type lower (one that is allowed in CA) here in CA. Do all DROS, waiting ect. Then take that receiver with you to NV. Once in NV you can build it into whatever configuration you want. Then just leave it there. Nothing wrong with this approach.

D'oh!

Damn, Hunter... that was so friggin' obvious it just zoomed over me <<big stoopid grin>>. Been staring at too much code today...

It was in fact one of the reasons we drove the OLL gig - get 'retirement guns' into folks' hands for folks possibly moving to other states, before any other Fed ban could hit.

Yes, Cali can't regulate your gun behavior in another state with an already-acquired firearm that was legally purchased in CA.

So, yeah, buy an off-list receiver, lower or complete gun (S&W M&P15s were being sold at the recent Cow Palace Gunshow by Cold War Shooters, appropriately modified for CA). Take it to NV, render it fully capable, and enjoy it. You can legally buy hicap mags in NV, but these mags must stay outside and not be imported back into CA. Many dealers in NV won't sell you hicaps as a Californian, but you can get around that.

This wouldn't work for Roberti-Roos 'named' guns, but for the run of the mill M4 carbine, it's fine.

[rgs1975]

Thank you for the advice folks, it's much appreciated. I do have a couple more questions though.

If a relative who lives in Nevada (father or brother) were to buy a non CA legal M4 in Nevada and gifted the rifle to me would I be permitted to bring the rifle into CA?

Say that a relative who lives in Nevada (father or brother) were to buy a non CA legal M4 in Nevada for their own personal use. Time goes by and this person passes away. This person left the rifle to me in their will. Would I be able to take possesion of this rifle and bring it into CA?

Lastly, do you know if the AR lower in this link is CA legal? ----> http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/lowers/alowtele.asp

[Quiet]

Thank you for the advice folks, it's much appreciated. I do have a couple more questions though.

If a relative who lives in Nevada (father or brother) were to buy a non CA legal M4 in Nevada and gifted the rifle to me would I be permitted to bring the rifle into CA?

Say that a relative who lives in Nevada (father or brother) were to buy a non CA legal M4 in Nevada for their own personal use. Time goes by and this person passes away. This person left the rifle to me in their will. Would I be able to take possesion of this rifle and bring it into CA?

Lastly, do you know if the AR lower in this link is CA legal? ----> http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/lowers/alowtele.asp

No to all three.
Especially, if it's a real M-4 and not a semi-auto M-4 clone.

Also, siblings can not gift firearms to each other. Has to be Grandparent or parent to child.

[rgs1975]

Yes I mean an M4 clone, nothing with full auto capability.

So there is absolutely no way that a person who lives in Nevada can transfer a rifle that is not CA legal to a relative in CA. Ok, sucks but I believe it. Man, I gotta effin' move...

[bwiese]

Yes I mean an M4 clone, nothing with full auto capability.

So there is absolutely no way that a person who lives in Nevada can transfer a rifle that is not CA legal to a relative in CA. Ok, sucks but I believe it. Man, I gotta effin' move...

Not quite.

If the M4 'clone' (i.e, semiauto, 16" min bbl length) were not listed on the list of banned makes/models, it could be transferred to you thru a cooperative CA FFL if it had a 10rd fixed magazine or you bought just the stripped receiver while the upper was left back in NV. Then you could just take it back to NV, throw the parts together and have your M4 with all evil features.

Why don't you wanna build up an M4 from an off-list receiver? It's no problem getting receivers in CA thru FFL dealers. 50,000+ folks can't be wrong

[6172crew]

Just buy your flavor of an AR-15 type lower (one that is allowed in CA) here in CA. Do all DROS, waiting ect. Then take that receiver with you to NV. Once in NV you can build it into whatever configuration you want. Then just leave it there. Nothing wrong with this approach.

My ol'man has property in NV and most of my goodies are over there, it takes me 3 hours to get to them and shoot them with a pistol grip and detachable magazine.

[rgs1975]

Why don't you wanna build up an M4 from an off-list receiver? It's no problem getting receivers in CA thru FFL dealers. 50,000+ folks can't be wrong

I don't want some cheesy CA nuetered version. I've seen some that have a 10rd mag welded on, don't want that. I've seen some with no mag at all but single shot, don't want that. All I want is a normal every day M4 clone that can accept removable box magazines and fires semi-auto. Honestly, if I can't have that then I'll just not get an AR and stick with my SKS's.

Are there off-list receivers that are functionally normal?

[megavolt121]

D'oh!

Damn, Hunter... that was so friggin' obvious it just zoomed over me <<big stoopid grin>>. Been staring at too much code today...

It was in fact one of the reasons we drove the OLL gig - get 'retirement guns' into folks' hands for folks possibly moving to other states, before any other Fed ban could hit.

Come on Bill... I'm reading your post and was just waiting for you to suggest buying an OLL and assembling it with evilness in NV!

[megavolt121]

I don't want some cheesy CA nuetered version. I've seen some that have a 10rd mag welded on, don't want that. I've seen some with no mag at all but single shot, don't want that. All I want is a normal every day M4 clone that can accept removable box magazines and fires semi-auto. Honestly, if I can't have that then I'll just not get an AR and stick with my SKS's.

Are there off-list receivers that are functionally normal?

Just about every offlist receiver is fully functional normally.
Stag, Doublestar, MEGA, etc are all the same receiver regardless of it being sold in CA or any other state.

[hoffmang]

I think you need to read up on bullet buttons.

-Gene