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  • simonov
    Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 491

    Why you should follow DoJ guidelines for fixed mags

    California law defines a fixed magazine as one that requires a tool (such as a bullet tip) to remove.

    The DoJ insists in a memo that a fixed magazine must somehow be "permanently" attached to the weapon (epoxy, welding, rivets, etc).

    When the JBTs come for you and your guns, you might be very happy that your magazines cannot be removed with any tool the JBTs are carrying with them.

    Food for thought.
    Are you a Guntard?
  • #2
    Super_tactical
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 798

    Originally posted by simonov
    California law defines a fixed magazine as one that requires a tool (such as a bullet tip) to remove.

    The DoJ insists in a memo that a fixed magazine must somehow be "permanently" attached to the weapon (epoxy, welding, rivets, etc).

    When the JBTs come for you and your guns, you might be very happy that your magazines cannot be removed with any tool the JBTs are carrying with them.

    Food for thought.
    bah...
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
    (In honor of Blackwater Ops)

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    • #3
      Nefarious
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2006
      • 2083

      Originally posted by Super_tactical
      bah...
      +1
      I better swap out my builds for a Carbon 15
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      • #4
        Surveyor
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        • Mar 2006
        • 748

        Originally posted by simonov
        California law defines a fixed magazine as one that requires a tool (such as a bullet tip) to remove.

        The DoJ insists in a memo that a fixed magazine must somehow be "permanently" attached to the weapon (epoxy, welding, rivets, etc).

        When the JBTs come for you and your guns, you might be very happy that your magazines cannot be removed with any tool the JBTs are carrying with them.

        Food for thought.
        If the Bullet Button itself was easily removed, I would tend to agree with you. The BB has to be hammered into your receiver after filing down the back edge of the button. It takes a little bit of skill and effort, to be honest. However, once it's in there, it aint coming out without a vice and some locking plyers. If they are willing to rip out my BB with tools or if they plant a high-cap mag in place of my 10 rounder (in the mag well), then no epoxyed in place mag would've saved me.

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        • #5
          hoffmang
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Apr 2006
          • 18448

          siminov,

          Are you arguing that we should accept lawlessness from our law enforcers?

          Kind of sounds like Southern Governors in the 1960's. "Those agitators should stop causing trouble."

          One of the interesting factors of the bullet button is that there is no configuration of the firearm that doesn't show that the firearm is incapable of accepting detachable magazines. It either is incapable, or it has the bullet button removed.

          -Gene
          Gene Hoffman
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          • #6
            mcubed4130
            Vendor/Retailer
            • Mar 2007
            • 1239

            Originally posted by simonov
            California law defines a fixed magazine as one that requires a tool (such as a bullet tip) to remove.

            The DoJ insists in a memo that a fixed magazine must somehow be "permanently" attached to the weapon (epoxy, welding, rivets, etc).

            When the JBTs come for you and your guns, you might be very happy that your magazines cannot be removed with any tool the JBTs are carrying with them.

            Food for thought.
            With examples such as - a M1919A4 .30cal semi-auto, is thought to be a 50cal machine gun... Do you really think this will make any difference?

            -M3
            "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana
            "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke

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            • #7
              arguy15
              Member
              • May 2006
              • 301

              With this logic in mind a valid question would be "Can someone tell me how to permanently modify my SKS so that I can never take out the magazine?" Being that this is a BS it doesn't matter.
              They have M-240s here at the gun shops!

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              • #8
                simonov
                Member
                • Jun 2006
                • 491

                Originally posted by hoffmang
                Are you arguing that we should accept lawlessness from our law enforcers?
                I'm suggesting that spending a few weeks or months in county jail could ruin your whole year.
                Are you a Guntard?

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                • #9
                  hoffmang
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 18448

                  Originally posted by simonov
                  I'm suggesting that spending a few weeks or months in county jail could ruin your whole year.
                  And I'm suggesting to you that putting up with injustice only leads to more injustice.

                  I can afford to sit in jail when I'm right and the state is wrong. You should think about why you can't. I'm also not speaking monetarily.

                  -Gene
                  Gene Hoffman
                  Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation

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                  • #10
                    Wizard99
                    Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 375

                    Sounds like the very definition of Fascism: Political rule through fear.
                    Originally posted by Blackwater OPS
                    That's why I always say, "Handguns are for head shots".

                    Originally posted by Kestryll
                    Yeah! Let's put someone in who will appoint SCOTUS Justices that will gut Heller, that will show Bush, the Republicans and all those people who didn't see the glory that is Ron Paul!!

                    Working on the same theory, next time someone tries to mug you or beat you up, stab yourself in the scrotum first, that should keep them away...

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                    • #11
                      scewper
                      Member
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 294

                      You don't make any sense.

                      you might be very happy that your magazines cannot be removed with any tool the JBTs are carrying with them.
                      That is the idea... Removing magazines with tools is not against the law. If you were able to insert a magazine that could be removed without the use of a tool, then that is against the law. However, when you insert a new magazine into a rifle equipped with a bulletbutton type lock, you will need a tool to remove it.

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                      • #12
                        bobfried
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 1448

                        Originally posted by simonov
                        I'm suggesting that spending a few weeks or months in county jail could ruin your whole year.
                        I would hate to but wouldn't be afraid of it. Honestly, do you think it will make a difference? If they wanted to put your *** in jail it doesn't matter how you configured your rifle.

                        And sorry but your idea of permanent is idiotic at best. I can shove ANY high cap magazines into ANY semi automatic rifle with some work. Give me a sledge hammer and plasma cutter and I can jam 30 round mags into all kind of rifle.

                        Your logic is highly flawed. With the assumptions you made, an LEO can come into your house, build a pipe bomb with what you have laying around than arrest you for it.

                        I am getting tired of these un-educated, un-research, wild *** guesses than have been coming out lately.

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                        • #13
                          FinweElensar
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2006
                          • 615

                          Guys, he's just trying to get your blood pressure up, get more traffic for his retarded site.

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                          • #14
                            simonov
                            Member
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 491

                            Originally posted by bobfried
                            Your logic is highly flawed. With the assumptions you made, an LEO can come into your house, build a pipe bomb with what you have laying around than arrest you for it.
                            You don't think that's ever happened?

                            Why make it easier for them?
                            Are you a Guntard?

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                            • #15
                              KenpoProfessor
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 1780

                              Originally posted by simonov
                              California law defines a fixed magazine as one that requires a tool (such as a bullet tip) to remove.

                              The DoJ insists in a memo that a fixed magazine must somehow be "permanently" attached to the weapon (epoxy, welding, rivets, etc).

                              When the JBTs come for you and your guns, you might be very happy that your magazines cannot be removed with any tool the JBTs are carrying with them.

                              Food for thought.
                              Here's the rub, it would still be A TOOL and the definition is clear and concise that a TOOL be used. No different than an SKS or clone.

                              Have a great Kenpo day

                              Clyde

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