Legal Community Against Violence 17th Anniversary Dinner pictures!!

[TatankaGap]

LCAV is just misguided and deserves compassion

Awesome! A room full of rich white lawyers congratulating themselves. This is the liberal elite. The best schools, the powerful positions, the most money. More dangerous than a hundred million mom type organizations. Cause they know the law. How to use it, how to make it work for them.
Jesus, people like this give me the creeps.
There may be plenty of anti's out there, but these are the true believers.
I'm glad these type of collaborators are in the minority...
Maybe i give them too much credit?

And does Julie Leftwitch have crazy eyes?

LCAV is misguided and pursuing a misguided agenda which very unfortunately is oppressive and intended to deprive people of their constitutional rights. Sometimes lawyers do that. Remember that before becoming Chief Justice, Renquist used to do things at AZ polling places that would now commonly be considered illegal and inappropriate - it goes both ways....

LCAV was formed in response to a terrible tragedy in which many lawyers were killed by a madman with a TEC-9 and 50 round clips at 101 California Street on July 1, 1993. The lawyers were targeted by an insane shooter who blamed innocent people for his own personal failures.

Too bad no one out of more than 200 people there that day was an armed citizen or the shooter could have gone down earlier and some lives would have been saved. Instead, he killed himself after being locked inside the stairway. I was about 5 feet away from the doorway that the gunman was headed for when 'we' locked him in the stairway. I heard his final suicide shot.

The legal community had been attacked, lawyers from several different firms had been killed just for being lawyers and so they formed LCAV. It's not that they are in the elite. All those people had families - I knew some of them. It was really sad and people wanted to do something.

And maybe the two lawyers pictured who look grumpy are really just sad because the event probably reminds them of the mass office shooting they lived through and the friends they lost that day.

Just because they are wrong on the law, and have misguided agendas does not mean that they should be the target of ire or bashing. It's not like they're winning....it's not like they are on a roll. Give them some compassion - it doesn't hurt anyone here and the higher moral ground is where we are -

They are not the liberal elite (currently residing in Chicago, NY and DC) - they did not necessarily go to the best schools. They are not very effective. Why not just leave them alone except to expose the extent to which they have an agenda to deprive people of their civil rights -

IMHO, if you want to have a good lawsuit, sue LCAV for tortious interference with the exercise of constitutional rights ~

Challenge them to public debates - help them see that they are actually working against liberty and freedom, in a good way, please -

Offer to take them shooting

Just for fun and since I have cred with them, I'll offer to take them shooting I'll let you know what happens ~

[Hunt]

A coalition of the deluded and morally impaired.

I dislike busy bodies of any kind deluded morally impaired or otherwise. Wish they would mind their own business.

[aklon]

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Who are these two angry-looking douches and what are those awards for?

The guy on the right is none other than John Heisse, a long time director of LCAV. He was a partner at the firm that got shot up at 101 California and he's never been the same since.

I worked at Thelen when he was there for four years and when John found out I was in NRA, he freaked. I was terminated and my picture posted downstairs at the guard desk with instructions to have me arrested if I ever set foot in the building.

By the time I took up their invitation cooler heads had prevailed and I was getting the glad hand all over. Then they went out of business not more than six months later. Heisse landed on his feet at Howrey, along with a few other attorneys who I recognize in these pictures.

Distasteful, all of them, to say the least.

[GuyW]

You know, as much of a nutjob robin is, she sure is a good looking older woman. Too bad she's dumb

Takeoff on an old saying, "beauty is only skin deep, but stupid goes to the bone..."

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[jdberger]

LCAV is misguided and pursuing a misguided agenda which very unfortunately is oppressive and intended to deprive people of their constitutional rights. Sometimes lawyers do that. Remember that before becoming Chief Justice, Renquist used to do things at AZ polling places that would now commonly be considered illegal and inappropriate - it goes both ways....

LCAV was formed in response to a terrible tragedy in which many lawyers were killed by a madman with a TEC-9 and 50 round clips at 101 California Street on July 1, 1993. The lawyers were targeted by an insane shooter who blamed innocent people for his own personal failures.

<snip>

The legal community had been attacked, lawyers from several different firms had been killed just for being lawyers and so they formed LCAV. It's not that they are in the elite. All those people had families - I knew some of them. It was really sad and people wanted to do something.

And maybe the two lawyers pictured who look grumpy are really just sad because the event probably reminds them of the mass office shooting they lived through and the friends they lost that day.

Just because they are wrong on the law, and have misguided agendas does not mean that they should be the target of ire or bashing. It's not like they're winning....it's not like they are on a roll. Give them some compassion - it doesn't hurt anyone here and the higher moral ground is where we are -

They are not the liberal elite (currently residing in Chicago, NY and DC) - they did not necessarily go to the best schools. They are not very effective. Why not just leave them alone except to expose the extent to which they have an agenda to deprive people of their civil rights -

IMHO, if you want to have a good lawsuit, sue LCAV for tortious interference with the exercise of constitutional rights ~

Challenge them to public debates - help them see that they are actually working against liberty and freedom, in a good way, please -

Offer to take them shooting

Just for fun and since I have cred with them, I'll offer to take them shooting I'll let you know what happens ~

No.

They're not simply "misguided".

They're malicious.

The shooting at 101 Cal was a tragedy. Their response to it was an atrocity.

A man is walking home with his family and he's mugged by two young black men. His wife is killed. Is he then justified in joining the Klan?

Is his ire (like the ire of the LCAV attorneys) simply misdirected?

Is his desire (like the desire of the LCAV attorneys) to curtail the rights of people who had nothing to with the crime, who would have endeavored to stop it simply reprehensible?

Is his compulsion (like the compulsion of the LCAV attorneys) to foment lies, skew facts and vilify his opponents simply horrifying?

None of these actions are justified. They're dishonest, deceitful, hateful, condescending, malicious......

In their zeal to hold complicit those who've offered them no harm they've threatened the very structure of the Republic. They've sought to stifle the right to protest, they've sought to gut the 2nd Amendment, they've sought to brush away the protections of the 4th Amendment and kick the 5th Amendment to the curb... all in pursuit of some malevolent revenge fantasy punishing a different culture.

The fact that LCAV is not successful now doesn't absolve them of their atrocious actions over the last 15 years.

These are the elite. These LCAV lawyers come from the largest and most prestigeous law firms in the Country. They have armies of associates, barrels of money and infinite resources.

You attempt to assuage their guilt by stating:

LCAV is misguided and pursuing a misguided agenda which very unfortunately is oppressive and intended to deprive people of their constitutional rights.

Does our hypothetical Klansman deserve the same sympathy? Or does he deserve our wrath and condemnation? What's a couple of burning crosses, eh?

The directors and members of LCAV made a conscious decision to destroy the gun culture through litigation, legislation and by persecution.

I reserve my right to focus my ire and bashing upon them. Let them come on their knees and beg for forgiveness and I'll consider letting up.

[jdberger]

One more thing -

Think of the families LCAV has destroyed in their single-minded pursuit of "sensible gun laws". Think of the innocents who have been snagged in California's byzantine gun laws? Think of the effect of a felony on the record of some poor schmuck who didn't think he had to register his Colt SP1 because he bought it at a gun store. Think of the employment applications where he has to disclose that he's a felon.

[kcbrown]

One more thing -

Think of the families LCAV has destroyed in their single-minded pursuit of "sensible gun laws". Think of the innocents who have been snagged in California's byzantine gun laws? Think of the effect of a felony on the record of some poor schmuck who didn't think he had to register his Colt SP1 because he bought it at a gun store. Think of the employment applications where he has to disclose that he's a felon.

Yep. LCAV deserves no sympathy. Their actions have taken them well beyond that.


Not to derail the thread too much, but your example above, more than anything else, should illustrate to everyone the folly of removing RKBA from those who have prior felony convictions.

In other words, why are some of the people here so incredibly naive as to believe that just because something is a felony, it somehow means that the person who is convicted of it is dangerous enough to be worthy of stripping their RKBA after they serve their sentence?

Such ex-felons will wind up being thrown under the bus because it's a political battle that can't be won, but make no mistake: removal of RKBA from ex-felons leaves us wide open for an obvious attack on RKBA from any legislative body with the resolve to classify a bunch of innocuous crimes that are now misdemeanors as felonies. The distinction is essentially completely arbitrary as it is, as your example proves.

[wildhawker]

jdberger's most recent 2 posts above should be moved to their own thread, stickied and closed.

[odysseus]

Great thread. Thanks for posting pictures, this really brings it more home.

[SanPedroShooter]

No.

They're not simply "misguided".

They're malicious.

The shooting at 101 Cal was a tragedy. Their response to it was an atrocity.

A man is walking home with his family and he's mugged by two young black men. His wife is killed. Is he then justified in joining the Klan?

Is his ire (like the ire of the LCAV attorneys) simply misdirected?

Is his desire (like the desire of the LCAV attorneys) to curtail the rights of people who had nothing to with the crime, who would have endeavored to stop it simply reprehensible?

Is his compulsion (like the compulsion of the LCAV attorneys) to foment lies, skew facts and vilify his opponents simply horrifying?

None of these actions are justified. They're dishonest, deceitful, hateful, condescending, malicious......

In their zeal to hold complicit those who've offered them no harm they've threatened the very structure of the Republic. They've sought to stifle the right to protest, they've sought to gut the 2nd Amendment, they've sought to brush away the protections of the 4th Amendment and kick the 5th Amendment to the curb... all in pursuit of some malevolent revenge fantasy punishing a different culture.

The fact that LCAV is not successful now doesn't absolve them of their atrocious actions over the last 15 years.

These are the elite. These LCAV lawyers come from the largest and most prestigeous law firms in the Country. They have armies of associates, barrels of money and infinite resources.

You attempt to assuage their guilt by stating:



Does our hypothetical Klansman deserve the same sympathy? Or does he deserve our wrath and condemnation? What's a couple of burning crosses, eh?

The directors and members of LCAV made a concious decision to destroy the gun culture through litigation, legislation and by persecution.

I reserve my right to focus my ire and bashing upon them. Let them come on their knees and beg for forgiveness and I'll consider letting up.

Thank you for the insight. While i was unaware if the cal 101 shooting as the cause for the founding of LCAV, it doesn't change my opinion of their group or what they stand for. If this group does not represent part of the elite in this country, at least in the legal community, who does? Would any law of God or man prevented the shootings that happened that day? And does that tragic incident make it any less imperative on me to protect my life and the life of my family? The actions of evil men shouldnt hamper the rights, and dare i say duty, of the just.

[TatankaGap]

stingy with compassion

I reserve my right to focus my ire and bashing upon them. Let them come on their knees and beg for forgiveness and I'll consider letting up.

People who are stingy with giving compassion to others are usually surprised when they don't get the compassion they seek in their own lives from others.

Think about it - what good does your ire and bashing do except create more conflict? Do you think that your rant makes the people at LCAV who monitor this board think you are less of a 'gun nut'? probably not.....

Why so angry? You're winning. Have some grace willya?

No one can help those with so much righteous indignation - so you are helpless.

If the purpose is to be complaining, y'all are doing great.

btw, people who don't want to be accused of invasion of privacy should probably avoid posting pictures, the names of the people in the pictures and their opinions of such people -

For my part, I survived the shootings, moved away from the insanity of CA and I'm sorry to know you are still so oppressed - but my ire would be for the legislators who so eagerly sold out your rights and not against a bunch of lawyers who are just mouthpieces -

I don't like coming to CA and only do so to visit family and attend to family matters. I don't like the way CA sheriffs oppress law abiding citizens who want CCWs and I don't like the way CA law is written to trap and trick people.

If you insist on ranting, it just reinforces the people at LCAV and makes you look like a ranter.

[hill billy]

For my part, I survived the shootings, moved away from the insanity of CA and I'm sorry to know you are still so oppressed - but my ire would be for the legislators who so eagerly sold out your rights and not against a bunch of lawyers who are just mouthpieces -

I don't like coming to CA and only do so to visit family and attend to family matters. I don't like the way CA sheriffs oppress law abiding citizens who want CCWs and I don't like the way CA law is written to trap and trick people.

If you insist on ranting, it just reinforces the people at LCAV and makes you look like a ranter.

I am wholly unconcerned with my status in the minds of members of the LCAV, the Brady's or any other corrupt organization who conspires to take away my right to self defense. They lie for money and fame. As such, they are no better than the legislators who have sold me out, indeed they may be worse. Legislators may simply be stupid and listening to the wrong voice in their ear. The LCAV knows what they are doing and they press on.

The LCAV does what they do out of malice. As such, they deserve only the same malice, or worse, in return. "If you are in a fair fight, your tactics suck." or, to paraphrase a scripture, " I am not here to make peace, I am here to destroy" I WANT to see them put out of business. I want to see them ruined and corrupted and penniless, the same misfortunes they have heaped on countless others who suffer under the ruin and reign they helped create. There is no victory in a consensual withdrawal, I want them to suffer.

[Suvorov]

jdberger's most recent 2 posts above should be moved to their own thread, stickied and closed.

jdberger has stated things far more eloquently than I could ever have.

There is a time to be civil and accommodating and there are groups that deserve respect and understanding.

This is NOT the time and LCAV is NOT such a group.

[TatankaGap]

Shall Issue CCW

Would any law of God or man prevented the shootings that happened that day?

'Shall issue CCW' - it would not have prevented the shootings but would have ended them before most of the victims were killed. Shall issue CCW is vital. On this we all agree, yes?

[jdberger]

People who are stingy with giving compassion to others are usually surprised when they don't get the compassion they seek in their own lives from others.

I still have compassion for those who lived through or were affected by that tragedy. It wanes for those who decided to take their anger out on innocents. For every Gian Ferri there are 1,000 Otis McDonalds. In this country we don't punish the masses for the transgressions of individuals.

Think about it - what good does your ire and bashing do except create more conflict? Do you think that your rant makes the people at LCAV who monitor this board think you are less of a 'gun nut'? probably not.....

The social ostracization worked against the Klan. Hopefully it will work against he hangers-on at LCAV. I don't hold out any hope that it would influence the "bitter-enders". And I'm not so much a "gun-nut" as I am a "rights-nut".

Why so angry? You're winning. Have some grace willya?

Why so angry? I'm not angry. I'm motivated. Motivated by the almost 2 decades of malicious injustice.

btw, people who don't want to be accused of invasion of privacy should probably avoid posting pictures, the names of the people in the pictures and their opinions of such people -

People who would accuse others of invasion of privacy might have a complaint had they not posted the same pictures with the names of the people in the pictures on their Facebook page.

My opinions are protected by the First Amendment. The people in the pictures, due to the nature of their work are public figures.

For my part, I survived the shootings, moved away from the insanity of CA and I'm sorry to know you are still so oppressed - but my ire would be for the legislators who so eagerly sold out your rights and not against a bunch of lawyers who are just mouthpieces -

The legislators aren't immune - but let's be clear, LCAV has driven an enormous amount of this legislation. We've seen it in San Mateo, Oakland and Emeryville. LCAV posts model laws, gives soothing legal analysis and promises litigation support for such laws. They're much more than just "mouthpeices".